Compricatorator,
If you separate out how many times Roger won / lost in the finals versus Rafa and, separately, versus others, in those years you get the following running totals for the two periods.
Running totals for Masters finals, first period:
2002 Won/Lost to Nadal: 0 / 0 Won Lost to others: 0 / 0
2003 Won/Lost to Nadal: 0 / 0 Won Lost to others: 2 / 0
2004 Won/Lost to Nadal: 0 / 0 Won Lost to others: 5 / 0
2005 Won/Lost to Nadal: 0 / 1 Won Lost to others: 6 / 0
2006 Won/Lost to Nadal: 1 / 1 Won Lost to others: 8 / 0
2007 Won/Lost to Nadal: 2 / 2 Won Lost to others: 10 / 0
If you admit Rafa’s SF win at RG in 2005 their H2H becomes 2/3. (Rafa was on the verge of being number 2 and so almost met Roger in the F that year)
Running totals for Masters finals, second period:
2008 Won/Lost to Nadal: 0 / 2 Won Lost to others: 1 / 0
2009 Won/Lost to Nadal: 0 / 3 Won Lost to others: 3 / 1
2010 Won/Lost to Nadal: 0 / 3 Won Lost to others: 4 / 1
2011 Won/Lost to Nadal: 0 / 4 Won Lost to others: 4 / 1
2012 Won/Lost to Nadal: 0 / 4 Won Lost to others: 5 / 1
2013 Won/Lost to Nadal: 0 / 4 Won Lost to others: 5 / 1
It would be interesting to separate out those wins against others into: within top 8, seeded outside of the top 8, and unseeded. Anyone?
And finally, had Rafa had a healthy knee in all the masters he missed or lost in due to his knee, starting with 2009, … the stats in the left column would be higher… e.g. 0/6 or 0/7 for meeting Roger at least one or more additional times in major finals (and I would venture to say who would have won), and for the same reason the column on the right would be different too, e.g. 3/3 or 2/4.
—“To trick consumers into purchasing the new, more expensive Federer tennis racket, Wilson has entered into an endorsement deal with Roger Federer, through which Wilson provides Federer with his preferred older-model racket – which has been painted to look like Wilson’s latest Federer tennis racket,” according to the complaint. “This occurs year after year. Accordingly, when people see Federer play – in person, on television, or in photographs – they see him using an old-model racket that is disguised to look like the latest Federer tennis racket.”—
So, Federer is involved in a cheating scandal! I’ll remember this!
I remember reading a while ago he played with an older racquet painted to resemble a newer model but hadn’t made the connection between that and his endorsement deal.
I’m amazed this case has not made a bigger stink.
Fed needs to stop acting the fool with his “dreams” of re-capturing #1/winning a Slam. He needs to do a Verdasco and re-prioritise. It make sense for him to go for the accolades he does not have, such as Davis Cup. If the Czechs can do it with a 2-man band, why can’t Stan and Fed?
@deucy, of course he will play Davis Cup because it will serve his goal of qualifying for the Olympics, not because he gives a damn about Switzerland. My point though is, Davis Cup is his only hope at glory now because he will have Stan’s help……….he cannot cut it all on his lonesome now…..
He gets his chance to do his duty in a few weeks time 😉
Next tie 31 January-2 February 2014
Switzerland face a tough first round encounter away to Serbia. The Swiss won their only previous tie against Serbia in 2006.
It’s the time of year when the top players start their preps for AO and most of the top players do not play in the early rounds. Fed, on the other hand, may want to play to avoid a mauling at Nole’s hands and that would be a good opportunity for him to notch up a DC match-win on his way to Rio…………..
My bad, ed251138, just shows the amount of interest I have for the forthcoming tie………..of course it will be after AO. Let’s see what happens at AO first, shall we?
“So it was very strange to say the least when he ended up getting routined himself by Robredo of all people. …………………..
There is no doubt that the upcoming meeting with Nadal was weighing heavily on his mind. Even the knowledge that he has to play Nadal is now enough to psyche him out completely. That is the extent of the damage Nadal have inflicted on the Federer psyche over the years. Another loss to Nadal at the only slam they haven’t played at yet was too much for Roger to bare.
It was a subconscious tank. Nothing more and nothing less. It was another disappointing and confidence sapping loss, but better than getting destroyed by Nadal in the last remaining slam. ”
ed251137, no offence meant to fellow Rafans. But seriously, I enjoy reading the anti-Rafa blogs out there, they are quite funny although nowadays they are tinged with a bit of pathos, truth be told.
I am not offended at all by the rubbish they print, just amused by how some people are so driven by hate they are willing to make fools of themselves publicly. But then again, they are anonymous behind those monikers………… the joys of internet freedom!
I read Sean Randall’s Roger-X blog (although I do not post there anymore) for the same reason. There is something about an online meltdown that I find totally fascinating……….
At least Ruan is honest and up-front about his hatred for Rafa and why. His blog is called Ruan’s Federer blog, no subterfuge there. Compare that to other Fderazzi like Sean Randall whose sites masquerade as objective tennis blogs when in fact they are a platform for the propagation of anti-Rafa hate-speech.
Ruan does not run Rafans off his site. He does not bully them. His tirades are directed at Rafa, not his fans. Sean Randall and his henchmen do the exact opposite on their site.
I do not agree with Ruan’s views, but I have immense respect for him as a blogger and a man. I have none for the Sean Randall’s of this world.
Fed has little choice but to play if asked to. The ruling is players must play at least four times IF CALLED UPON in the two years prior to the Olympics. If he plays and Switzerland loses he will not be called upon again until February 2015. Ditto 2016.
In effect all he needs to do is show up for the 1st round matches and Switzerland to lose, as happened this year, and he will still have met the criteria laid down by the ITF.
I don’t care who says it, Fed didn’t tank that match with Robredo. It may make some people happier to believe that, but I don’t buy it for a minute. There is no reason Fed would have wanted to avoid Rafa after having played him so tough at Montreal. He had his chances in that match. I would have thought Fed would relish the opportunity to get another crack at Rafa at the USO.
I don’t know that there is any difference between Ruan and other Fed fans. He is making a very silly excuse for Fed’s loss to Robredo. I don’t believe that any of the top players tank matches. Never have, never will.
I guess this was reprinted so that this theory that Fed was so scared of facing Rafa at the USO, would gain some traction.
I try not to read comments from Fed fans. I don’t believe that they can ever be even remotely objective about anything.
Whether or not you can see a difference between Ruan and other Fedfans depends on the direction of your sense of humour.
I see a difference, he is funny to me. Some people don’t, quite okay. It also has a lot to do with cultural differences. His take on Fed’s loss to Robredo Of course it’s silly but does he think it’s silly? Who knows? Who cares? That’s the joke!!!!!
Ruan is South African so it’s easy for me to “get” him, wackiness and all! Those people on Roger-X blog…………not so much. And I know why……..
^^^^^Try posting that on Tennis X 🙂
^^Ed: Nice one. Hawkeye would be banned forever….
http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2013-11-11/14178.php#comment-505685
Third time lucky. First two failed attempts referenced “Federer”, “Weak Era” and “Hilarious” and they were promptly removed.
Compricatorator,
If you separate out how many times Roger won / lost in the finals versus Rafa and, separately, versus others, in those years you get the following running totals for the two periods.
Running totals for Masters finals, first period:
2002 Won/Lost to Nadal: 0 / 0 Won Lost to others: 0 / 0
2003 Won/Lost to Nadal: 0 / 0 Won Lost to others: 2 / 0
2004 Won/Lost to Nadal: 0 / 0 Won Lost to others: 5 / 0
2005 Won/Lost to Nadal: 0 / 1 Won Lost to others: 6 / 0
2006 Won/Lost to Nadal: 1 / 1 Won Lost to others: 8 / 0
2007 Won/Lost to Nadal: 2 / 2 Won Lost to others: 10 / 0
If you admit Rafa’s SF win at RG in 2005 their H2H becomes 2/3. (Rafa was on the verge of being number 2 and so almost met Roger in the F that year)
Running totals for Masters finals, second period:
2008 Won/Lost to Nadal: 0 / 2 Won Lost to others: 1 / 0
2009 Won/Lost to Nadal: 0 / 3 Won Lost to others: 3 / 1
2010 Won/Lost to Nadal: 0 / 3 Won Lost to others: 4 / 1
2011 Won/Lost to Nadal: 0 / 4 Won Lost to others: 4 / 1
2012 Won/Lost to Nadal: 0 / 4 Won Lost to others: 5 / 1
2013 Won/Lost to Nadal: 0 / 4 Won Lost to others: 5 / 1
It would be interesting to separate out those wins against others into: within top 8, seeded outside of the top 8, and unseeded. Anyone?
And finally, had Rafa had a healthy knee in all the masters he missed or lost in due to his knee, starting with 2009, … the stats in the left column would be higher… e.g. 0/6 or 0/7 for meeting Roger at least one or more additional times in major finals (and I would venture to say who would have won), and for the same reason the column on the right would be different too, e.g. 3/3 or 2/4.
I never post on X 🙂
Would never fly on Roger-X.com.
I direct you to The Federazzi Rationalization Excuse Reference Handbook>
Chapter -10- Paragraph -22- states:
“Nadal is just a bad matchup for Federer and all outdoor meetings between the two after Fed got old at 27 are not to be counted.”
Almost forgot the referenced footnote:
WTF 2013 meeting is disallowed due to 1.5 kph crosswind caused by O2 air conditioning.
And Rafa’s clay court wins are not only not counted, but are to be derided as being those of a “bum-picking dirtballer.”
jpacnw,
and you cheek is firmly planted in your tongue, no 😉 ?
Federer named seventh most stylish athlete – https://tenngrand.com/2013/11/22/federer-named-seventh-most-stylish-athlete/
My favorite line from the article: “There’s no excuse to go out there looking like Rob Gronkowski on a bender.”
What do you make of this:
http://www.courthousenews.com/2013/03/12/55626.htm
—“To trick consumers into purchasing the new, more expensive Federer tennis racket, Wilson has entered into an endorsement deal with Roger Federer, through which Wilson provides Federer with his preferred older-model racket – which has been painted to look like Wilson’s latest Federer tennis racket,” according to the complaint. “This occurs year after year. Accordingly, when people see Federer play – in person, on television, or in photographs – they see him using an old-model racket that is disguised to look like the latest Federer tennis racket.”—
So, Federer is involved in a cheating scandal! I’ll remember this!
I remember reading a while ago he played with an older racquet painted to resemble a newer model but hadn’t made the connection between that and his endorsement deal.
I’m amazed this case has not made a bigger stink.
#TakingMoneyUnderFalsePretences
#PassingOff
Fed needs to stop acting the fool with his “dreams” of re-capturing #1/winning a Slam. He needs to do a Verdasco and re-prioritise. It make sense for him to go for the accolades he does not have, such as Davis Cup. If the Czechs can do it with a 2-man band, why can’t Stan and Fed?
https://twitter.com/SwissMinipeople/status/404167481909993472/photo/1
If the next Olympics really is his goal then, as we’ve discussed elsewhere, he’ll HAVE to play Davis cup.
@deucy, of course he will play Davis Cup because it will serve his goal of qualifying for the Olympics, not because he gives a damn about Switzerland. My point though is, Davis Cup is his only hope at glory now because he will have Stan’s help……….he cannot cut it all on his lonesome now…..
He gets his chance to do his duty in a few weeks time 😉
Next tie 31 January-2 February 2014
Switzerland face a tough first round encounter away to Serbia. The Swiss won their only previous tie against Serbia in 2006.
^^^I doubt Novak will play, so look to Fed to play……………..
Why’s that? Surely he won’t want to take the risk Serbia could be knocked out in the first round?
It’s the time of year when the top players start their preps for AO and most of the top players do not play in the early rounds. Fed, on the other hand, may want to play to avoid a mauling at Nole’s hands and that would be a good opportunity for him to notch up a DC match-win on his way to Rio…………..
The only problem with your logic is that Davis Cup is played after the AO and the tournaments in the following week are all 250s.
My bad, ed251138, just shows the amount of interest I have for the forthcoming tie………..of course it will be after AO. Let’s see what happens at AO first, shall we?
This, from a Federazzi:
“So it was very strange to say the least when he ended up getting routined himself by Robredo of all people. …………………..
There is no doubt that the upcoming meeting with Nadal was weighing heavily on his mind. Even the knowledge that he has to play Nadal is now enough to psyche him out completely. That is the extent of the damage Nadal have inflicted on the Federer psyche over the years. Another loss to Nadal at the only slam they haven’t played at yet was too much for Roger to bare.
It was a subconscious tank. Nothing more and nothing less. It was another disappointing and confidence sapping loss, but better than getting destroyed by Nadal in the last remaining slam. ”
http://ruansfedererblog.com/
There you have it: Fed tanked his match against T-Rob at USO 2013 to avoid a mauling by Rafa.
And in the next breath they (Federazzi) will call Rafa a fraud etc…….
For shame……………………
ritb. You have fallen for the ruan bait. His blog is notorious for promulgating anti Rafa propaganda and you have provided a a link to it 🙁
ed251137, no offence meant to fellow Rafans. But seriously, I enjoy reading the anti-Rafa blogs out there, they are quite funny although nowadays they are tinged with a bit of pathos, truth be told.
I am not offended at all by the rubbish they print, just amused by how some people are so driven by hate they are willing to make fools of themselves publicly. But then again, they are anonymous behind those monikers………… the joys of internet freedom!
I read Sean Randall’s Roger-X blog (although I do not post there anymore) for the same reason. There is something about an online meltdown that I find totally fascinating……….
At least Ruan is honest and up-front about his hatred for Rafa and why. His blog is called Ruan’s Federer blog, no subterfuge there. Compare that to other Fderazzi like Sean Randall whose sites masquerade as objective tennis blogs when in fact they are a platform for the propagation of anti-Rafa hate-speech.
Ruan does not run Rafans off his site. He does not bully them. His tirades are directed at Rafa, not his fans. Sean Randall and his henchmen do the exact opposite on their site.
I do not agree with Ruan’s views, but I have immense respect for him as a blogger and a man. I have none for the Sean Randall’s of this world.
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Fed has little choice but to play if asked to. The ruling is players must play at least four times IF CALLED UPON in the two years prior to the Olympics. If he plays and Switzerland loses he will not be called upon again until February 2015. Ditto 2016.
In effect all he needs to do is show up for the 1st round matches and Switzerland to lose, as happened this year, and he will still have met the criteria laid down by the ITF.
ed251137, sorry I misspelt your moniker in my post of 6:34 pm.
Ha,ha – you’ve just knocked a year off my age. i’m off for a slap up lunch today for a so-called celebration to mark the passing of another year ?
I don’t care who says it, Fed didn’t tank that match with Robredo. It may make some people happier to believe that, but I don’t buy it for a minute. There is no reason Fed would have wanted to avoid Rafa after having played him so tough at Montreal. He had his chances in that match. I would have thought Fed would relish the opportunity to get another crack at Rafa at the USO.
@ed
Have a yummy lunch and Happy Birthday for tomorrow. 🙂 Bet you’re like a lovely mature red wine, getting better with every passing year..
That’s a nice concept but I fear this bottle has been around so long it might be corked.
I don’t know that there is any difference between Ruan and other Fed fans. He is making a very silly excuse for Fed’s loss to Robredo. I don’t believe that any of the top players tank matches. Never have, never will.
I guess this was reprinted so that this theory that Fed was so scared of facing Rafa at the USO, would gain some traction.
I try not to read comments from Fed fans. I don’t believe that they can ever be even remotely objective about anything.
Whether or not you can see a difference between Ruan and other Fedfans depends on the direction of your sense of humour.
I see a difference, he is funny to me. Some people don’t, quite okay. It also has a lot to do with cultural differences. His take on Fed’s loss to Robredo Of course it’s silly but does he think it’s silly? Who knows? Who cares? That’s the joke!!!!!
Ruan is South African so it’s easy for me to “get” him, wackiness and all! Those people on Roger-X blog…………not so much. And I know why……..
no. just no.
ed,
I see that it’s your birthday coming up. Best wishes on your day and have a wonderful celebration. 🙂
how do u know?
Ricky,
If that was meant for me, I know because ed said so above.
that’s a good reason!
Happy Birthday, ed. Many Happy Returns of the day!
A very happy birthday to you, ed.
http://youtu.be/vAg39aIPTjk
^^^^ Great stuff. Thanks. ✌
Happy birthday to you…..
Happy birthday to you……
Happy birthday dear ed251137……
Happy birthday to you!!
Hip, hip, hooray!!!!!!
It has just struck me as very funny the above comments have been exchanged on the ‘Fed’ page of this blog 🙂
Thanks all. It’s made my day.
Happy Birthday ednumbers! (is ednumbers ok with you?)
You and me mum were born exactly one day apart!!! Just realized!
#SmallWorld
Chris Evert and her adoration of Roger: http://www.stevegtennis.com/2013/11/chris-evert-theres-something-about-roger-federer-which-tugs-at-the-heartstrings/