I think this response is particularly good because it illustrates that a straw man argument is being employed to deflect and divert the discussion. When someone persists in writing things that others here are supposed to have said, but in truth never did say, then that’s when you know it’s not going to be a serious discussion.
You did a good job of refuting the phony statements that were never said by you or anyone else, for that matter. But I think the point is to try and point others in a defensive position. Then they are stuck defending something that they never said in the first place, instead of being able to make their argument. It’s a time wasting tactic.
Oh and it’s really cute to see augusta quoting me again!
Rafa is still the favourite on clay for this season no question (which says a lot about him given his lack of play and poor health issues recently) but this is Nole’s best chance at the French Open.
Just checked and Rafa is only a slight favorite at the French.
If you think that means I think Djokovic will win the French Open and Rafa has little chances to win then check yourself.
nadline10 says:
February 6, 2015 at 9:09 am
hawkeye/chloro are so dead sure that Nole would be the undisputed winner in a 5 set h/c match even though the evidence is to the contrary.
As for Alanis Morrisette, I read in Wikipedia that she is YOUR countrywoman, I have never heard about here. I don’t think I am obliged to know YOUR countrywomen/-men.
nadline10 says:
February 6, 2015 at 9:09 am
hawkeye/chloro are so dead sure that Nole would be the undisputed winner in a 5 set h/c match even though the evidence is to the contrary.
nadline10 says:
February 6, 2015 at 9:09 am
hawkeye/chloro are so dead sure that Nole would be the undisputed winner in a 5 set h/c match even though the evidence is to the contrary.
“On facing Nadal for the Roland Garros title: “Knowing that I was that close to win(ning) against him the past two years gives me that reason to believe that I can make it this time… It’s easier said than done, of course, because we all know how good he is on this court. But he’s not unbeatable. Winning against him last couple of matches in the finals, big events, definitely gives me confidence that I can do it again.””
Stating that someone implied something, is only an opinion. It’s what is being read into what has been said. That’s the problem. It’s also why this discussion is going nowhere fast!
Who has had the easier road in the last eight years? Who has been injured more? Whose body has taken more of a toll? Who has had to take more time off?
It’s of course true that Novak has aged, too. He’s not Peter Pan, after all! 🙂 But he has not been troubled by the kind of injuries that have hampered Rafa. Rafa has managed to achieve so much despite these injuries. But they have cost him precious time in this sport.
Novak is a far better player than he was in 2008. He always had the natural talent, but did not have anything even close to Rafa’s mental strength and competitive spirit. He wasn’t as physically fit as he is now.
As for Rafa, I have said that he is a much more complete player than he was in 2008. He’s got a superb net game, plays more aggressive tennis, has that formidable forehand and when his cc and dtl backhand is working he’s in the zone. What he has lost in speed he makes up for with his brilliant tennis mind, ability to adjust mid-match and change tactics.
I still would not bet against Rafa if he and Novak meet in the 2016 Olympic games, but this is 2015 and there is a lot of tennis to be played yet. I am more interested in what’s going to happen with Rafa moving forward. I want to see him get more match play and fin his best form again. I want him to be ready for RG.
In 2013, one man handed his old foes – ‘injuries’, ‘anxieties’ and ‘doubts’ an uppercut and emerged triumphant to produce one of the greatest comebacks ever witnessed not just in Tennis, but in any sport. Nobody, not even the man himself, believed that he would be able to produce a stellar year with 10 titles including; 5 Masters 1,000 titles and 2 grand slams which included a historic 8th Roland Garros title thus, capping off 13 career grand slams, aiding him to regain the Year End World Number 1 ranking for the 3rd time in his career – another record for the history books. His name is on everyone’s lips.
An extraordinarily humble and remarkable genius, in the face of adversity, few humans could dig so deep when the chips are down. He is the soul of Tennis – its student, champion and heart. Affectionately known around the world simply as ‘Rafa,’ to the history books he is Rafael Nadal. This book is a condensation of his resurrection and triumphs after a career threatening knee injury in 2012 kept him away from the tour for nearly 8 months until, his return in February 2013 seen through a series of the author’s writings, illustrations and graphic art. This book is a tribute to Rafa Nadal’s journey from wounded warrior to dominant champion – the true epitome of the Phoenix.
Other than an infrequent trademark tug at the shorts, there are few if any of his many current day rituals. No fixing of the hair or touches to the face or flicking his head back three times prior to tying his bandanna.
He even casually walks on the lines when going to his chair!
haha good observations VR.. so it is not only rafa’s game that has changed/evolved considerably …
Rafa is so full of energy. You get the feeling he has unlimited reserves of energy at this age ! He has lost that with age but his game has evolved soooo much
When he was younger, (self) expectations were lower. With expectations comes the privilege of pressure. With increasing (perceived) pressure, comes the added need (and methods) to find “the colm” and “good feelings”.
exactly so. Especially in the case of someone with Rafa’s worrying mind and one in a million level of ambition and will to win. The worrisome mind is for all to get to know in detail in his (first) (auto)biography from a few years back.
nadline10 says:
February 4, 2015 at 9:16 pm
Rafa won OG on a fast h/c in Beijing so I don’t think it’s a problem for him.
Rafa won Wimby in 2008 and 2010 so I don’t think grass is a problem for him.
#Hilarious
^ we’re _having_ such round fun
#Proofreading
“The difference between me and hawkeye/chloro is that I always thought Novak was always a match for Rafa even before 2011”
Show me where I thought Novak was not a match for Rafa and show me where you thought he was.
#NadlineDisease
#FalseLogic
“Anyone who thinks Nole is that much better than Rafa on h/c,”
Please show me who made this conclusion.
#NadlineDisease
#FalseLogic
” hawkeye/chloro are so dead sure that Nole would be the undisputed winner in a 5 set h/c match even though the evidence is to the contrary.”
Best one of all. Please show me where I said this.
#NadlineDisease
#FalseLogic
RITB, I don’t have to provide proof. Nadline makes this too easy.
Hilarious!
Rafabots and Fedbots.
Meet the new Bot. Just the same as the old Bot.
hawkeye,
I think this response is particularly good because it illustrates that a straw man argument is being employed to deflect and divert the discussion. When someone persists in writing things that others here are supposed to have said, but in truth never did say, then that’s when you know it’s not going to be a serious discussion.
You did a good job of refuting the phony statements that were never said by you or anyone else, for that matter. But I think the point is to try and point others in a defensive position. Then they are stuck defending something that they never said in the first place, instead of being able to make their argument. It’s a time wasting tactic.
Oh and it’s really cute to see augusta quoting me again!
#humble!
hawkeye63 says:
February 6, 2015 at 3:38 pm
Rafa is still the favourite on clay for this season no question (which says a lot about him given his lack of play and poor health issues recently) but this is Nole’s best chance at the French Open.
Just checked and Rafa is only a slight favorite at the French.
If you think that means I think Djokovic will win the French Open and Rafa has little chances to win then check yourself.
nadline10 says:
February 6, 2015 at 9:09 am
hawkeye/chloro are so dead sure that Nole would be the undisputed winner in a 5 set h/c match even though the evidence is to the contrary.
Nadline points out her own false logic.
My job is done.
Hilarious!!!
hawkeye63 says:
February 6, 2015 at 4:37 pm
—My job is done—
So, you also are WORKING here, like chloro does! It’s interesting to know.
==
(chloro, it’s irony!)
You know irony just about as well as Alanis Morrisette.
hawkeye63
February 6, 2015 at 5:38 pm
I borrow words from NNY:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9LgUaICUAAYGAb.png
As for Alanis Morrisette, I read in Wikipedia that she is YOUR countrywoman, I have never heard about here. I don’t think I am obliged to know YOUR countrywomen/-men.
😆
nadline10 says:
February 6, 2015 at 9:09 am
hawkeye/chloro are so dead sure that Nole would be the undisputed winner in a 5 set h/c match even though the evidence is to the contrary.
Show me where I say this.
Too much back tracking going on.
nadline10 says:
February 6, 2015 at 9:09 am
hawkeye/chloro are so dead sure that Nole would be the undisputed winner in a 5 set h/c match even though the evidence is to the contrary.
Show me where I say this.
hawkeye63 says:
February 4, 2015 at 9:29 pm
“Age and Djokovic. Two factors that have changed significantly since 2008.”
What did you mean by this?
You answer my question first.
That;s the answer to your question because that’s what you implied.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSxuXQCEC7M
False logic.
#NadlineDisease
is that the picture of the disease? scary
Haha!
So you take it back?
@chloro, it is, methinks!! It makes the head go round and round, rots teeth and makes the skin to break out in a nasty rash.
Like Damien…………..
Take it back? Why would I when is quite plain to see from every thing you’ve written that you adore Federer’s chest hair.
But I’m happy to see that you recognize your false logic and the error of your ways.
From Rafa
(He’s working in the evening)
https://www.facebook.com/Nadal/photos/a.456161351025.251362.64822581025/10152808734486026/?type=1&theater
http://www.rolandgarros.com/en_FR/news/articles/2014-06-07/201406071402143298031.html
“On facing Nadal for the Roland Garros title: “Knowing that I was that close to win(ning) against him the past two years gives me that reason to believe that I can make it this time… It’s easier said than done, of course, because we all know how good he is on this court. But he’s not unbeatable. Winning against him last couple of matches in the finals, big events, definitely gives me confidence that I can do it again.””
One almost feels sad for him……………
Let’s hope we will still feel sorry for him after RG 2015.
Stating that someone implied something, is only an opinion. It’s what is being read into what has been said. That’s the problem. It’s also why this discussion is going nowhere fast!
Who has had the easier road in the last eight years? Who has been injured more? Whose body has taken more of a toll? Who has had to take more time off?
It’s of course true that Novak has aged, too. He’s not Peter Pan, after all! 🙂 But he has not been troubled by the kind of injuries that have hampered Rafa. Rafa has managed to achieve so much despite these injuries. But they have cost him precious time in this sport.
Novak is a far better player than he was in 2008. He always had the natural talent, but did not have anything even close to Rafa’s mental strength and competitive spirit. He wasn’t as physically fit as he is now.
As for Rafa, I have said that he is a much more complete player than he was in 2008. He’s got a superb net game, plays more aggressive tennis, has that formidable forehand and when his cc and dtl backhand is working he’s in the zone. What he has lost in speed he makes up for with his brilliant tennis mind, ability to adjust mid-match and change tactics.
I still would not bet against Rafa if he and Novak meet in the 2016 Olympic games, but this is 2015 and there is a lot of tennis to be played yet. I am more interested in what’s going to happen with Rafa moving forward. I want to see him get more match play and fin his best form again. I want him to be ready for RG.
From Rafa:
https://www.facebook.com/Nadal/posts/10152810175951026
hawkeye is scoretracker, isn’t he?
nadline is skeezer, isn’t she?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81SvotAOcp0&feature=youtu.be
Getting ready for the clay
The Mexican magazine Quién has ranked Rafa among the 20 hottest athletes:
http://www.quien.com/fotogalerias/2015/02/05/los-20-atletas-mas-hot-del-momento
🙂
Quién:
http://www.geeinternational.com/eng/magazines/MagQuien.htm
It’s great to see Rafa getting ready for the clay!
Go for it, Rafa!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9VOlnDCMAAl9vG.png
The answer:
http://ep.imgci.com/PICTURES/CMS/46100/46192.4.jpg
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Through My Eyes
by Sam Herath, Samdelmundo
In 2013, one man handed his old foes – ‘injuries’, ‘anxieties’ and ‘doubts’ an uppercut and emerged triumphant to produce one of the greatest comebacks ever witnessed not just in Tennis, but in any sport. Nobody, not even the man himself, believed that he would be able to produce a stellar year with 10 titles including; 5 Masters 1,000 titles and 2 grand slams which included a historic 8th Roland Garros title thus, capping off 13 career grand slams, aiding him to regain the Year End World Number 1 ranking for the 3rd time in his career – another record for the history books. His name is on everyone’s lips.
An extraordinarily humble and remarkable genius, in the face of adversity, few humans could dig so deep when the chips are down. He is the soul of Tennis – its student, champion and heart. Affectionately known around the world simply as ‘Rafa,’ to the history books he is Rafael Nadal. This book is a condensation of his resurrection and triumphs after a career threatening knee injury in 2012 kept him away from the tour for nearly 8 months until, his return in February 2013 seen through a series of the author’s writings, illustrations and graphic art. This book is a tribute to Rafa Nadal’s journey from wounded warrior to dominant champion – the true epitome of the Phoenix.
https://www.facebook.com/RafaNadalLovers11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Q6A8PqTa4E
Rafael Nadal vs Jose Acasuso (2004 Orange Prokom Open – Final)
Great video VR!
Other than an infrequent trademark tug at the shorts, there are few if any of his many current day rituals. No fixing of the hair or touches to the face or flicking his head back three times prior to tying his bandanna.
He even casually walks on the lines when going to his chair!
I wish Rafa could go back to no rituals but he is adding more and more all the time.
haha good observations VR.. so it is not only rafa’s game that has changed/evolved considerably …
Rafa is so full of energy. You get the feeling he has unlimited reserves of energy at this age ! He has lost that with age but his game has evolved soooo much
LOL…i meant ‘ good observations HAWKEYE’ . hehehe…. #sleepDeprived
Vamos Rafa!!! Warts and all!!!
The water bottles thing wasn’t going on either.
this is interesting because I had the impression that he had developed most of these rituals as a kid!
I wonder why Rafa developed all of these little rituals over the years, especially since he didn’t have them when he was younger.
When he was younger, (self) expectations were lower. With expectations comes the privilege of pressure. With increasing (perceived) pressure, comes the added need (and methods) to find “the colm” and “good feelings”.
exactly so. Especially in the case of someone with Rafa’s worrying mind and one in a million level of ambition and will to win. The worrisome mind is for all to get to know in detail in his (first) (auto)biography from a few years back.
Spot on!