Rafael Nadal and Nick Kyrgios are set for a highly-anticipated showdown at the Rome Masters on Thursday. A quarterfinal spot will also be at stake when Tomas Berdych goes up against David Goffin.
Nick Kyrgios vs. (5) Rafael Nadal
Nadal and Kyrgios will be squaring off for the second time in their careers when they meet again in round three of the Internazionali BNL d’Italia on Thursday. Their only previous encounter came two years ago on the grass courts of Wimbledon, where Kyrgios pulled off a 7-6(5), 5-7, 7-6(5), 6-3 upset. The 21-year-old has become a even bigger star since then, both for the right and the wrong reasons. On the court, Kyrgios is up to 20th in the rankings and he is an outstanding 21-6 this season. So far in Rome he has defeated Salvatore Caruso and No. 10 seed Milos Raonic in straight sets.
Nadal is looking to bounce back from a semifinal loss in Madrid to Andy Murray and he took a step in that direction by cruising past Philipp Kohlschreiber 6-3, 6-3 on Wednesday night. The fifth-ranked Spaniard is bidding for a third title on this clay-court swing, having previously triumphed at his old stomping grounds in Monte-Carlo and Barcelona. Nadal is 48-4 lifetime at the Rome Masters with seven titles, so it is safe to say he will much prefer facing Kyrgios in this setting than at the All-England Club. Unless the underdog turns in an unbelievable serving performance, Nadal is likely to break him down in a clay-court baseline battle.
Pick: Nadal in 2
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(8) Tomas Berdych vs. (12) David Goffin
Berdych and Goffin will be going head-to-head for the third time in their careers on Thursday. Both of their previous encounters have gone the way of Berdych, who prevailed 7-5, 6-3, 6-3 at the 2012 U.S. Open and 6-3, 6-4 earlier this season indoors in Marseille. Now much more confident, Goffin should also benefit from playing on a slower surface. Since he last ran into Berdych, the 13th-ranked Belgian owns back-to-back semifinal performances in Indian Wells and Miami. Goffin lost right away in Madrid to Lucas Pouille in a third-set tiebreaker, but so far in Rome he has taken out Leonardo Mayer and Jack Sock.
Following a first-round bye as the last of the top eight seeds, Berdych blew past Albert Ramos-Vinolas 6-3, 6-4 on Tuesday. The eighth-ranked Czech is a relatively modest 19-9 for his 2016 campaign and he has not progressed further than the quarterfinals in any of his last five events. Berdych will have a tougher time hitting through Goffin in these conditions than he previously did on fast indoor hard courts, and the 12th seed’s defense and consistency may be too much for an opponent who has been unable to find the range with his high-risk tennis of late.
Pick: Goffin in 3
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who ya got?
Rafa in 2. Nick will get a Clay court lesson from the master.
Have to stay with Goffin, as I have – in 3.
nadal in 3 and berdych in 2
I got to say Kyrgios in 3, I feel Nadal is two passive and Kyrgios’s aggression will overpower nadal
Kyrgios will win again with a great betting odds around 3,7 and we will finally get Nick vs Djoker showdown.
#HerbertWillWin
Goffin will lose.
it’s possible
but not likely
I expect Rafa to be ready for Kyrgios. Rafa for the win in 2 sets.
I think Goffin will win because he’s playing better right now, but I don’t think it’s going to be that easy. Goffin over Berdy in 3 sets.
Rafa in 2
He might get into a deficit in one of the sets but will play well enough to recover. He looked full of conviction against Kohls and the first game he won to love was a sign of how well he has shrugged off that loss to Murray.
If he plays really well tomorrow, he will be a tough test for Djokovic.
Btw, how did Novak’s opponent push him to 7-5 in both sets?? Can anyone please tell me as I couldn’t watch.
Robert played with unpredictable variety. Djoko doesnt like playing guys like this esp when its first meeting and in early rounds. The guy Robert could hit hard flat shots DTL and CC from both wings, changing direction at will, he’s crazy at the net too! No wonder he gave Djoko a hard time!
Too bad he git broken late in second set to give back the one break adv that he had and ftom then Djoko surged ahead and won in straight. I was hoping for at least a TB in sec set if not a third set.
Nick for the upset. Vamos youth.
how big of an upset would it really be?
whatever the case, I’m not predicting it
According to the odds it would be fairly significant. I think the odds are off, I would be pretty surprised if this isn’t a very competitive match.
berdych will play very well tomorrow and beat goffin in straight sets
Nadal in 2
Berdych in 3
Keep your mind focused, stay confident, be strong and show your fighting spirit, Rafa!
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I expect a tough match with Kyrgios…I already see Nick complaining a lot about Rafa taking too much time between the points in his attempt to distract Rafa…Nick will go for broke because he is usually very motivated when playing BIG NAMES…Rafa will be under pressure in his service games as Rafa does not trust his serve and will be nervous about Nick’s return…Rafa will start the match feeling nervous and Nick may take advantage of it…However, whatever I mentioned here has probably been already discussed within the Team Nadal and they must have considered the options and right solutions…so I expect Rafa to find the answers and beat controversial Australian…
What worries me is Rafa giving the break back…it’s almost as now his opponents EXPECT to get the break back thus being a custom for Rafa…that must not happen against big server like Nick! Rafa needs to be aware of the fact that his tennis on clay is way better than Nick’s and all he needs to do is play his usual clay court game with some varieties including going to the net and playing slices which are difficult for Nick to pick up…
BTW, funny statement by the Serbian commentator after Nadal’s match with Kohl: he was announcing the schedule for tomorrow saying “we’ll have great tennis with BIG FOUR playing their respective matches plus Wawrinka” 🙂
Courts are very wet today from the rain which will hurt Rafa’s chances.
I think Nick will win because he can hit winners from everywhere even on clay.
Goffin in three.
that he can, yes
Nadal can too IF he plays the right way
#if
I’m trying to pluck up the courage to watch Nadal this afternoon. I’m prepared for the worst but hoping Rafa has a game plan to destabilise the thug from Australia.
By the way, thanks for posting the detennis link. So pleased to have it back. It gives by far the best overall picture of what is happening. Invaluable when there are several overlapping matches.
i’m very nervous he will lose ed.
makes it a lot worse if it is kygrios who is one of my least favourite players.
if nick the brat tries to go after him on the time violations then i may swear copiously…
Amy,
I am nervous for this match. Kyrgios is dangerous. But this is clay. That should help Rafa. I am concerned that Kyrgios may try to disrupt Rafa with various tactics, Rafa has to stay strong and focused and play aggressive tennis. I expect Kyrgios to come out blasting.
I have an appointment in a little over an hour, so I will have to follow the live score.
i really hope rafa doesn’t have a very slow start nny….
really don’t want him to lose today..
You’re welcome. I never realized until now that it works pretty well on mobile devices too!
Are the courts still damp? Is it sunny? I see that both have had an early break already. Did Rafa fail to consolidate yet again or was it Kyrgios.
Okay! Rafa was broken in his first service game, but breaks right back! Very important!
Nik going for broke with his shots.
broken back
Rafa holds with some good serving.
2-1*
Great to have Paul Annacone doing the commentary.
Not really
There’s that DTL forehand for a winner.
Deuce
do you think nick could get a disagreeable personality warning?? automatic point penalties…
LOL!
Yes, that would be great if they could do that!
I would vote for that!!!!!!
Nik holds.
Still on serve.
Smart body serve from Rafa gets him game point.
What was that from Nik? Brain cramp!
Rafa holds!
Crowd getting on Nik for some showboating in trying to hit with his racket behind his back.
Thanks again for the commentary nny as I’m unable to watch.
Is it sunny or overcast?
Hawkeye,
It’s nice and sunny!
I have an appointment and have to leave now. But I am sure that Ricky and others will keep up with the play-by-play.
Wasn’t showboating he was just badly positioned, it was his only option
Well the crowd didn’t appreciate it and started booing. If Nik moved his feet and had better footwork at times, then that would not be his only option.
5-4 Rafa.
probably
Rafa hitting deep and gets it to deuce on Nik’s serve.
Nik holds.
4-4
15-0
Rafa’s DTL forehand is in the house!
Rafa’s returning too many shots mid court. Needs to get much more depth.
Have that nasty sinking feeling. Rafa missed his golden opportunity to serve for the match but came up short yet again. NK is fearless.
Rafa just didn’t take his chances.
Foregone conclusion that Rafa would end up losing in the tie break… Well, only 2 winners and one more UE than Kyrgios says it all…I expected Rafa to be nervous but not paralyzed out there!!!
Intersting what will be the continue of the match…if Krygos wins today can he beat Novak ……
what happened when rafa had a set point??
i only have live scores
live scores says rafa has a break at the beginning of the second? is that right?
yes
thanks dority…
The usual 🙁 He let NK back into the match by failing to convert BPs like in so many of his matches. To be fair NK has the lethal habit of taking time away from his opponents.
thanks ed. please let him at least win the second set…
I think Rafa is a bit fearful of Kyrgios.
No, Rafa is only fearful of himself! The first set colapse is nothing new! Now I expect Rafa to win the second and then the third will again be all nerves…
Nick has asked for the MTO…
Rafa really needs to win this! Crippled Nick will most likely withdraw from his next match…
well he could do the decent thing and withdraw now…
Come on Rafa! I was driving everyone crazy in physical therapy as I tried to follow the live score.
You can do this Rafa!
i see stan is losing to juan monaco!! honestly! what is
up with stan….
Wawa is gone! There is no way he can defend his RG title!
I hope that Stan loses because then he will lose points because he got to the semis last year.
Essential Rafa holds now to take the set. NK is clearly in pain but he could rally and make a comeback.
Fully agree! Nick is stubborn and may play well again in the rest of the match just to beat Nadal…
There was I thinking Stan had a cushy number in Pico.
would have been awfully nice if you had broken just then rafa…
Nick’s movement not affected at all! No sign of injury!
I clocked that as well. He took a pain killer which has clearly helped, or maybe there was a certain amount of gamesmanship going on.
Is rafa playing short or deep?
Three missed bps in this set alone by Rafa.
Missed opportunities will haunt him.
Reusable.
Hawkeye,
I am back and will try to keep you updated.
But the key here is for Rafa to just hold his serve and then he will win.
What is going on? Rafa playing badly on big points? Please win this Rafa, please!
Pure class, Rafa!
Vamoooooos!
rafa finally takes a bp!!!
Rafa up a break! Did he play well or is Kyrios hampered?
In a train right now …might be able to see the end …please keep me posted
Anxiety disorder is everywhere.
Rafa finally breaks on his fifth chance.
Anyone think he will consolidate?
oooh kyrgios got a code violation! what happened?
time for the referee to default him…
NK is a not a nice person.. He plays the good sportsmanship card when it suits him but you see the other side of him when he has his back against the wall.
PLEASE tell us what is going on ed…
IS RAFA PLAYING SHORT OR DEEP???
Rafa needs one more break to seal it.
Vamos!
Rafa consolidates!!!
Scoreboard watching.
NNY is good with ball-by-ball commentary and analysis…she also left :/
Vamos Rafaaaaaaaa
vr,
I am here now! Will keep you updated!
1 of 7 on bps in the 3rd!!!!
Rafa you cannot be kyrgios!!!
rafa had 0-40!!! really this is ridiculous!
Rafa was up 0-40 and lost an opportunity to go up a double break.
Not good.
he cudnt do anything. Nick bombed 3 aces
ok thanks atul…please let me, hawks and vr know what is going on…
Both players playing really well! Nick is fighting like crazy! Served great to save break points, nothing Rafa could have done!
Rafa isn’t playing short! He is serving great irrelevant of 4 DFs!
Thanks nats and atul!
Vamos GOAT!!!
Is no one watching this match????
IS RAFA PLAYING SHORT OR DEEP?????????
DEEP!
Had to study for a huge exam last night so forgot to make picks but I just finished it and now just got home and am watching now. I just rewinded back to that forehand for 2-1 in the third. What a beauty. Awesome match. I was gonna pick boldly and go with NK in three but it looks like Rafa is gonna grind it out. Also I’m thinking Berdych in three over Goffin. Don’t know if that match has happened yet. I did hear Roger lost though ?? I was gonna say he wins in three though in reality I actually thought he was gonna withdraw.
Rafa is hitting deep and that DTL forehand is doing the damage.
I/O forehand for a winner!
Rafa holds! He’s keeping the ball deep and neutralizing the power of Kyrgios.
Also Rafa is getting good court positioning.
Forehand is on fire!
thanks loads nny!!
terrified that rafa has to serve it out!
+++++1
Now Rafa has to serve it out! Nik held so it’s all up to Rafa!
Rafa, you can do it!
Rafa hasn’t given nick look at a break point this set.
Hope he doesn’t when he serves for the set!
Ace from Rafa l!
Perfect start for Rafa with an ace but a backhand in the net makes it 15-15.
match point
Bad miss from Nik!
30-15!
Vamos
has he won?? live scores has gone mad!
Yes! Rafa won! I am fighting back tears!
big win!
thats a good win. Opponent was playing well
Rafa so needed to win this match. Ever since Kyrgios beat him at Wimbledon I’d been dreading their next meeting.
Vamos Rafa!
Rafa wins!!!!
VAMOOOOOOS RAFA!!!!!
What will he have left against nole tomorrow at least nole has a late start now.
VAMOSSSSSSSSSS ! I watched the final game…. the commies are praising Rafa and didn’t say a word regarding Krygios being hampered? They also praised Nick.
Hawkeye, in terms of energy he will have enough. He just needs to elevate the mental aspect.
If belucci can make Novak play a 3-setter…haha
I hope they play during day time!
big win for rafa! would have been disastrous to lose to nick today! gr8 that he was able to serve it out without fuss…
He served it out like a champ!
I think Rafa will be fine physically for tomorrow!
It’s good that Novak plays later. Dare I hope that Bellucci will make a match out of it?
depends if there is something up with nole physically…
forehand and serve were both good. Will need to up his level a little bit more to trouble Novak. But a good win nevertheless
I think it’s time Rafa met Novak. I think Rafa is playing well enough now to give him a match.
Stan lost to Monaco, so he will lose points.
Can’t to see highlights and listen to Rafa’s interview. From NNY’s comments looks like Rafa played at a pretty good level
Yes he did, especially at the end when it counted most! No sign of nerves as he served it out!
Yeah saw the last game! He was solid!
The 2015 Rafa would SURELY have lost this match. This is where this Rafa is so much better. He has more belief in himself and losing a set does not bother him that much.
Rafa match stats:
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🙂 🙂
Nice hand shake at the net!
So proud of Rafa! Set 2 and 3 were really master class from Rafa! He played with confidence, forehand was on fire, returned extremely well! Don’t be fooled with Nick’s Injury though! He moved extremely well in the third and fought for every point but Rafa simply outplayed him!
Way to go Rafa! Killing your demons one by one!
Vamos Champ!
In the 1st set, Rafa was playing that guy who beat him at RG when he served 37 aces so he was a little bit on edge after that the 14 times GS Champion and King of Clay turned up.
Vamos!
Sorry, I meant the guy who beat him at Wimbledon.
spot on, nadline!
4/15 on break points is POOR given how sharp Rafa on clay is in converting. second serve pnts won at 43% is also not a good sign. He got 85% of first serves in?! Sick! Was he tactically keeping a high percentage and not going for too much on them to avoid second serves?
Rafa’s forehand will perhaps be ready to at least trouble Novak. What concerns me the most is his backhand because in the past, his backhand has almost never quite achieved its aggressive best level in BO3 matches against Nole on clay… He badly needs the flat backhand CC drive. Just playing deep, high-clearance balls will only keep the rally neutral and Novak will slowly spread the court and tire him down.
I like his new serving position! let’s see how it plays out against Novak tomorrow. It will have the disadvantage of not being able to play as many forehands because Novak can find his backhand more easily on the returns. But, rafa will benefit in other ways. His forehand corner will be less vulnerable on the big points and his second-serve less attackable…
Such a nice win! Finally he gets the chance to beat Nick! VAMOSSSSSSSSS
Kyrgios is a tough guy though. He is REAL tough…
@ vamosrafa,
Nick’s second serves were most of the time HUGE! Sometimes you just can’t tell the difference between the first and the second! Honestly, I have been watching Nick play for a while now and must say that this is the first time I saw him taking one match seriously until the very end, trying to win every point…he was focused and refused to give up! Rafa really had to play well to break Nick’s resistance! But there was no sign of anxiety in Rafa’s service games in the set 2 & 3!
I agree about his new serving position! It gives amazing results already!
good to know someone else is also endoring Rafa’s new serving position…I have been going on and on and on about it since he played his first match in Madrid lol. To me it is a smart tactic..it is a way of preventing other players from exploiting a vulnerability in his game.
I can imagine Nick’s huge second serves….Rafa won loads of pnts on his second serve though so he must have returned quite well. My only concern just looking at the stats is Rafa’s win % on his own second serves
Also note that both players ran the same distance and it was Nick in fact who ran a few more metres ..haha…this means a lot! Rafa was able to control the tempo of the match and did not let a big hitter keep him on the defense.
Most of the break points Nick saved with his brilliant serve…
vr,
Rafa was putting more on his first serves in this match. He does not seem as confident with his second serve.
I am also concerned about the second serve points won being less than 50%. Novak puts so much pressure on rafa’s serve when they play.
That DTL forehand has to be working, too. Rafa needs all his weapons against Novak.
Also, 4 out of 15 break points is not good enough. Rafa must take advantage of break chances against Novak. There is just very little margin for error when playing Novak.
I thought Rafa played fine in set 1. Just lost it due to nerves at the end of the tie breaker. Sud be a good match with Novak tomorrow
YOu think he played at a high level in sets 2 and 3?
I saw the third set and can say that Rafa did play at a high level. The score in the second set indicates that Rafa played well after losing the first set TB.
I just watched my recording of that TB and Rafa played two bad points at the end to lose it. But he bounced back well in that second set.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwcCb6SMfyA
WOW! that a way to break in set 3!!
That is why Rafa needs the DTL forehand! A lethal shot for which there is no answer.
I think he played fine all match, especially on the forehand.
I think Rafa will be less nervous against Novak tomorrow! This match was a very good test for Rafa’s nerves. I did expect him to be shaken and distracted in the first set but he easily regrouped in the second and never looked back! That’s a great sign!
Rafa managed to defend his points so there should be no pressure in that regard! I expect Rafa to come out playing strong! Whether that’s sufficient for Novak we shall see…
Ye, the Kyrgios match would have done his confidence a world of good. He has to beat Novak again, one day. Why not now?
Rafa’s QF will be the 2nd match after 2 pm local time.
On the tennis channel they are discussing Rafa and Novak meeting in the quarterfinals. Paul Annacone said that he does not think Rafa can beat Novak with his serve right now.
Rafa’s will need to have a great serving day tomorrow. The key is that Rafa now has confidence from winning two titles. He is playing so much better. Against Novak he will have to do everything well. But I am looking forward to this match.
Don’t look now but Novak is down two breaks to Bellucci.
3-0 Bellucci
I expect Novak to wake up and right the ship.
4-0 Bellucci
Horrible drop shot from Novak! He’s getting bullied by Bellucci!
What on earth! Three breaks of serve!
5-0 Bellucci !!!
When was the last time Novak got bageled?
Bellucci is vamosing.
Novak bageled by Bellucci!!!
Berdy hasn’t won a game yet against Goffin.
Why the bagels??????
lolllllll
Is anyone watching this?
Holy crap! Bellucci is playing like a man possessed!
What did Bellucci eat for breakfast today?
The impeachment?????
Novak is battling just to win his first service game in the second set.
Those are some of the ugliest stats I have seen for Novak in the first set.
Novak did hold serve finally.
Berdy is on the verge of being double bageled by Goffin.
Vamos Thomaz!! Keep it up!! And what the heck is up with Berdych. Goffin of course must be playing well but you can’t be Berdych with his serves and big groundies and not be playing totally awful to not even get on the board. He’s about to get double bagelled. Unbelievable.
wtf is up with nole?? i said earlier i thought he had physical problems..
Playing fine now.
and GOFIIN?! WTH happened?!
told you he would win
I liked your pick in fact… but in THIS manner?!
Djokovic defending like a WALL. Crazy
#HerbertWillWin
Belucci has troubled Novak on clay in the past and I was secretly hoping he could steal a set today but THIS?! His flat groundstrokes hurting Novak. His backhand CC is his best shot and he gets nice penetration on it. He stands close to the baseline to take risks from the baseline whenever he has novak out of position.
Serving sooo well too!
surely rafa can beat THIS nole!!
The problem is that Novak won’t come out sluggish against rafa. I don’t think we can count on Novak playing crappy tomorrow.
I remembered that Bellucci gave Novak some trouble in the past, but nothing like this!
Now Novak up a break and order seems to be restored.
agreed nny. we’ve seen this movie too many times before.
nole seeming to be all over the place and then playing like a maniac as soon as he sees rafa…
No physical problems for Nole. He is shit scared that he has to face an inform Nadal on clay. He wants to lose now so that he does not get humiliated tomorrow.
lol…I wouldn’t say that Atul 😛 Like your confidence though! 😀
Here you go, Novak breaks! He will win this now
Um no.
So Goffin just won 0 and 0 for the first time in his career and Berdych lost 0 and 0 for the first time. I kinda wanted to Tomas to get a game near the end at least. I mean that’s just embarrassing. Goffin did hit way more winners though and played really well it seemed. Berdych must’ve missed a lot and been way off his game too though. After all he only hit six winners the whole time. I don’t have a very good feeling for Tomas heading into RG. He’s been mediocre lately and is looking like a possible early round upset at the French. Stan always does this it seems so I’m not as worried for him. Goffin of course can do some damage at RG if he plays like he did today and at the march masters of course. Then again I may be totally wrong and Berdych may make some awesome run and pull off a Stan. If I had to make an early prediction though I would say Goffin makes fourth round or QF Berdych makes third or fourth and Stan makes SF or farther. Maybe being a bit overly optimistic with Stan but I still think he’s gonna have good vibes in France and do well there. Really hope he doesn’t do the opposite.
if Bellucci can bagel Nole, Rafa will double bagel him tomorrow (if they meet)
gosh atul that’s dangerous talk…
nole always raises his game against rafa..
Love your attitude, @atul! You have my support!
The overwhelming French favorite eats in Bagel in a clay tourney just prior to French. The pundits should certainly appoint a new favorite now. Maybe Federer? lol
Vamosrafa, what else explains the result in set 1?
So ONE disastrous set compared with the 100 magnificent ones makes you think he is going to get destroyed by Rafa? haha….that’s not how things work Atul.
I’d be soooo happy if Rafa crushes him tomorrow but not happening…. Novak’s going to play at a high level and he has done that countless times in the past.
I am not about to get carried away and start talking trash about Novak against Rafa tomorrow. I also know that Rafa will not take anything for granted.
What explains set 1 is that Novak had a slow, lousy start and Bellucci came out guns blazing. But Novak won the second set and things seem to be back to normal.
Talk is cheap! It’s what happens on the court tomorrow that counts. I am just going to wait and see what happens. But we have seen Novak save his best for Rafa too many times.
All we can do here is talk. We cant play on Rafa’s behalf, can we?
No we can’t! But as I said I am not getting carried away. That’s all. Rafa doesn’t do a lot of talking either.
Lucky for him.
Nole plays a lot of c**p tennis he’s just so lucky most of the time. Even if Nole ends up winning this match that bagel should be set in aspic.
nole will race home now. 3rd set will be over fast.
amy, is he feeling better now? I thought you said he was injured.
that was the talk among nole fans on tennis-x a day ago…i didn’t say he was for sure but that there could be a problem..
obviously if he gets bagelled by bellucci i’m going to wonder if that’s at least partly the reason
Amy,
Hey, not bad from a guy who supposedly plays crap tennis! LOL! Novak has over an 8,000 point lead in the rankings.
I totally understand why you might think Novak had a physical problem. Makes perfect sense to me! Also, reading the discussion on tennis-x would have made you concerned. I don’t read that site anymore. 🙂
Novak seems fine, just somewhat frustrated at times in this match.
Amy you post on tx?
Curious minds want to know.
Kyrgios:
“My hip was not great before the match either, but I knew my game plan and I knew I was going to try and play aggressive,” said Kyrgios.
“It’s bothering me but it didn’t really bother me too much at all.”
“I mean, he just .. couple points here and there, it was tight and he just played well in the big points. That’s pretty much it.
Despite the defeat, Kyrgios said he was pleased with the way he performed against the man who has won this title seven times.
“Obviously he’s the greatest of all time on this surface,” he said.
“For me, just when I was a bit younger .. we were always talking about playing Rafa on clay, and I always thought I’d get absolutely destroyed against him.
“Then to play him and compete out there, deep in the third, [a] three-hour match, it feels pretty good.”
Yeah, Rafa would destroy him if they played on clay back in 2013 or even 2014. Kygrios can now compete with an’aged’ Rafa on clay and to him that’s something to be happy about.
What’s with Rafa these days, so poor in BP conversion, and its not that his opponent(s) was/were saving them with big first serves; there were second serves too that Rafa failed to capitalize. Hope Rafa wins tomorrow regardless of who his opponent is.
no reason why this shouldn’t be a reason for him to be happy about!Rafa was playing pretty well and it was a tough match.
I saw the highlights and it was clear that rafa was having trouble handling Nick’s serve. Rafa was consistently landing his second serve returns INSIDE the service box and still was able to defend and counterpunch well enough to win more points. It was the inadequate length on serve returns that made life so tough. Rafa moved really well in the match and forehand was quite animated. Backhand was generally solid.
I remember that Rafa couldn’t read Nik’s serve in the match at Wimbledon. He said as much after the match. So I am not surprised that he would have some trouble in this match. Rafa had to rely on his groundstrokes to compensate for weak ROS.
NNY you said it, its Rafa’s weak ROS.
I mean its not only Kygrios serve, against Murray, Rafa also had the same problem (BP conversion). Rafa’s ROS ability has certainly deteriorated, together with his serve.
@vamosrafa 7:09 PM,
Well said!
It seems that Rafa hasnt realised that he’s not as quick and as powerful now and he’s still returning from so far behind the baseline ( even on second serve), no wonder his returns are so short that his opponents pounce on them.
Poor bp conversion is simple anxiety.
Nothing new.
And Rafa’s lead up to 2014 FO wasn’t special. Today’s nick would have had a better chance then than this improved Rafa.
Of course Rafa was bad in 2014 lead up to the FO, I mean 2014 FO Rafa would be enough to deal with Kgyrios. The 2013 Rafa – certainly anywhere on clay in Europe!
You people talked as if Rafa hadnt met any big server on clay in his life! The confident Rafa would have no problem against anyone on clay, big server or not. The current Rafa? He’s still busy rebuilding confidence and clearing doubts in his head!
He wasn’t that confident leading up to 2014 FO. This Kyrgios would have had a better shot of beating him then.
Yeah at the lead up but not at the FO. Kygrios is more fortunate to have met Rafa after Rafa’s heydays on clay; the older batch(es) of players are/were not so fortunate.
I would say Rafa has to fight harder to win on clay these days. I dont understand why Rafa always makes the mistake of starting slow, loses the first set, loosen up and play freely the second to give chase and win, and then engages in a tussle in the third. He’s expending energy unnecessarily. Why not just comes out all guns blazing and gets the upperhand instead?
Its frustrating watching him does that all the time, when clearly his more offensive game (as in the second set) would clearly suffice to get him the first set too.
It’s because he’s been anxious for the better part of three years.
Luckystar (AT 12:49 AM),
—The confident Rafa would have no problem against anyone on clay, big server or not. —
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He had a problem with Isner at the 2011 FO.
You think he was confident back then????
Luckystar ( AT 5:44 AM),
In your comments, you are comparing Rafa “these days” to Rafa “in the old days.”
Old days when he was confident, as in 2005 – 2010. I’m not sure 2011 can be considered ‘old days’ as he was clearly at the start of his coming down from his peak and clearly he wasn’t confident! I thought that’s pretty obvious, that he wasnt confident at all in 2011??
You guys also need to realize that it was not that vintage Rafa was winning all his matches with consummate ease!
Rafa vs Davydenko Rome 2007 SF marathon , anyone? Rafa vs Hewitt Hamburg 2007???
Before you say they were a diff type of players, let me also remind you of the battle Rafa had with Gulbis in Rome 2010!
So, even vintage Rafa has had his difficult moments in Masters 1000…
His ROS is weak and Nick’s serve is nasty!
And, nick is far from being just a serve bot! He is the real deal…
So? Rafa won in the end, didnt he? Davy, Hewitt, Gulbis – did they trouble Rafa consistently? No, only one match each!
If anything, its Djoko who’s the real deal. Who pushed Rafa to the limit on clay in 2009 after which Rafa’s knees were ‘damaged’ so much so that he suffered his first loss at the FO? Its Djoko, and Djoko in 2008 Hamburg was already a handful for Rafa during Rafa’s heydays on clay (though Rafa being the king of clay would still win majority of their clay matches should peak Rafa meet peak Djoko on clay, IMO). Djoko since 2011 was consistently troubling Rafa on clay, beating him six times already.
Like I said, Kygrios has the luxury of not playing a Rafa during his peak on clay. Kygrios is just not consistent throughout a match. Well, he may peak one day and perhaps reaches Djoko’s level on clay one day, then we can compare him vs peak Rafa on clay!
You just keep missing the point on this one and go into other details. The point is that there is no guarantee vinrage Rafa would have totall destroyed Kyrgios because even the peak Rafa had his difficult moments!
You say he beat Davy and Hewitt so didn’t he beat Kyrgios too?!
It is a known fact that peak Rafa was more consistent and less vulnerable. Plus, I don’t know how we can totally ignore the fact that the patterns of play to preasure Rafa have become more and more known to players and we see players going beyond their limits and flattening out strokes and going for broke. It has always been the case but there’s been more clarity for players and I am glad Rafa’s reaponding… adjustment to his serving position is an example.
I agree with the pnts regarding Djokovic but I am not sure why you brought them up… have nothingto do with what I said.
So, the point is, if Rafa plays a close match against someone, doesn’t necessarilt mean it happebed coz he is a worse player now..even peak Rafa had his tough moments so it can happen. Once it starts happening again and again, then yeah it becomes a major concern.
VR, you’re the one missing the point. The way to trouble or to beat Rafa is/was already known a long time ago; however, how many did beat him on clay in the past? Its because Rafa was so quick and powerful, moved so well on clay, that its almost impossible to beat him on clay in his peak, unless he had an off day – Rome 2008, Madrid final 2009 for eg.
Why he always came through in the end, not losing any match on clay in 2006, 2010, only one match in 2007, 2008, and having 93% success rate on clay in the past? I said he would destroy this Kygrios because 1)Kygrios is inconsistent; 2) tends to go for broke when he gets impatient; 3) vintage Rafa would get even more balls back at Kygrios.
Kygrios unlike Davy who took the ball early, or Gulbis who threw drop shots after drop shots at Rafa during that Rome 2010 SF, just served big and hit hard and engaged in groundstroke exchanges with Rafa, trying to overpower Rafa. If the current Rafa almost beat Kygrios in straight sets if not for his own nerve, the vintage Rafa would dispatch this Kygrios in 6-3, 6-3 probably.
You try refuting points that I am not even making …haha…
I know very well why rafa was lesa vulnerable.. and, the point about evolution of the game is just ONE of many reasons! I just said you can’t totally ignore! If you have doubts, watch how more players used to stay away from his forehand more as they were scared of it.
I am going to try to keep this short and make my point clear. The ONLY point I made was that if Rafa plays a tough match despite playing well, it is NOT only reflecting his deteriorated game but a combination of his decline and the opponent playing really well because peak Rafa also had his tough moments!
He ended up beating Nick so let’s not forget that.Also, he had 15 brk pts so could may well have made it 6-4 6-2 type scoreline!
The close match yesterday was more about the mental aspect (not converting BPs) rather than his lost speed and power! He was still playing well enough to clean Nick up in straight sets!
Anyway, Rafole is almost here. Fingers crossed
Nah VR is right. This kyrgios was not lucky to play this Rafa because this kyrgios lost.
Rafa was as good in 2011 as he was in 2010.
He won the FO and made two other slam finals. He’s only made three slam finals one other time in 2013!!!
No, 2011 Rafa WAS vintage Rafa but Djokovic had one of the two best years in tennis history of any player along with 2015.
Nailed it perfectly VR. Summed it up nicely with:
“The close match yesterday was more about the mental aspect (not converting BPs) rather than his lost speed and power”
I could not agree more. Well said sir.
Sorry. I meant to say one other time in 2010.
3rd match tomorrow! Rafa Vs Novak on clay! Thank God it is during the day. The weather forecast is sunny too!
It seems Novak will take on Belluci …. can Nadal beat Novak is a big question .
Novak is the best player right now …..let us face this fact.He knows how to beat Nadal .
but if Rafa wins it will be cool chilly and a big celebration
Corr
“Novak is the luckiest player right now”
Fixed it for you.
sorry but that’s a typical crybaby logic lol
You can’t get lucky over the course of hundreds of sets !! He was DAMNNNN good.
vr,
Thank you! 🙂
NNY is thanking vr for his nastiness towards nadline! 🙄
what? what nastiness?! stop acting like a moderator here and being Nadline’s interpreter.If he she felt that way, she can/will directly address me.
AT 8:54 PM,
I believe I’m entitled to give my opinion if I so wish.
instigating people to argue…one of your hobbies here….yawnnnn
Making up stories about others is one of YOUR hobbies here.
Luck knows no bounds.
“He was DAMNNNN good.”
‘was’ being the operative word.
nopes…it was a typo.. he HAS BEEN DAMNNNNNN GOOD!
Rafa, please play freely , hit big and make us proud.
Yes! I second that! I want Rafa to just go out there and give it his best!
We will be here cheering him on tomorrow!
Best of luck, Rafa!
The stands were crowded during the match between Rafa and NK:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CiRRIsfWUAIE2Z9.jpg
🙂
A short video from Rafa’s post-match press conference:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SvwviSuLXc
Rafa’s post-match interview with the ATP staff:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnOyCnKxTzM
Berdych should retire
What the hell happened there?
should have from that match, at least!