Roger Federer and Novak Djokovic will be squaring off for the 46th time in their careers when they battle for the Western & Southern Open title on Sunday afternoon.
It could be all tied up 23-23 in the head-to-head series following the final, but Federer has some work to do if he wants that to happen. Although the 37-year-old Swiss trails Djokovic 23-22, he is a perfect 3-0 against the Serb in Cincinnati finals. Federer triumphed 6-1, 7-5 in 2009, 6-0, 7-6(7) in 2012, and 7-6(1), 6-3 in 2015. The latter result came at the peak of their rivalry, as the two all-time greats faced each other an incredible eight times that season. Djokovic is 6-2 in their last eight meetings after winning their most recent showdown 6-1, 6-2, 3-6, 6-3 in the semis of the 2016 Australian Open.
Djokovic’s 0-3 mark against Federer in Cincinnati is part of a shocking 0-5 lifetime record in finals at this tournament. It is the only Masters 1000 event he has never won, but a resurgent former world No. 1 has once again given himself a chance. Djokovic’s comeback from 2017 was once slow-going, but he captured a fourth Wimbledon title and has bounced back from a Toronto loss to Stefanos Tsitsipas with victories this week over Steve Johnson, Adrian Mannarino, Grigor Dimitrov, Milos Raonic, and Marin Cilic. The 10th seed has won each of his last four matches in three sets.
Federer’s workload was extensive on Friday, when he played twice in the span of about eight hours and picked up wins at the expense of Leonardo Mayer and Stan Wawrinka. The world No. 2 preceded those results by beating Peter Gojowyczk and he followed them up with a second-set retirement from David Goffin on Saturday night (Federer took the opener in a tiebreaker).
Federer is now 46-8 lifetime in Cincinnati and one win away from an eighth tile.
“It [is] the greatest challenge in Cincinnati, without a doubt–especially here–because he’s been dominating this tournament historically,” Djokovic said of a final against one of his biggest rivals. “He won against me several times in finals. Obviously he feels great in these conditions and this surface.”
Pick: Federer in 2
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who ya got?
Either Fed in 2 or Nole in 3.
And there it is.
Definitely not Djokovic.
Congrats to me.
#YoureWelcome
#Humb1e
Yeah , give it a rest. I picked Zverev over Fed also, but at least it was a genuine pick, unlike your predictions/reverse jinxing.
But Big Al seriously? Zverev? Really?
Definitely not Zverev over Federer.
Ricky, you serious?
Oh, give it a rest., would you?
FedGoat in 2.
definitely not
and agree with your pick
Hypothetically yes, technically nooooo.
Djokings.
Cheryl,
Thank you for saying it! I am grateful for both you and Ricky for being on this site. It was Ricky’s brainchild. He can be right or wrong with his predictions. We all are! It’s just supposed to be all in fun.
Well actually, I just came on here to say that I agree with nny and Cheryl!
Indeed. You know that I try to avoid feeding Ricky’s ego…but he’s right WAY more often than any other tennis writer I know. I’m completely serious. I sometimes check the betting odds – he’s WAY more accurate than whoever is setting the lines. It’s just not sporting to incessantly pester him when he’s picks incorrectly.
I can’t believe I just defended him…. 😀
I think Hawks was just teasing Ricky…U know,friendly banter…And i think Ricky knows that too!…In other words,Hawks just have fun on Ricky’s expense!Hehehe…
For sure MA. I’d take it as a compliment if Ricky did the tsame to me if it ever happens that I make an incorrect pick.
Just say the word Ricky and I won’t razz ya. Well maybe not so much.
But Zverev? Really???
Hahahaha…Just what i thought Hawks!…Just a while ago when i did some chores,a thought crossed my mind that if Ricky just as much saying “Okay Hawks!U win for once!”…I’m pretty sure that u will not harassed him not as much as before anymore…But,then i’m pretty sure too that Ricky won’t bend to u just easily Hawks!!Hahahaha…God!…U guys r funny!!Hehehe…try harder Hawks!!
I don’t want to offend Ricky or good posters here so I’ll give it a rest like Cheryl says.
Cheers.
Hehehehe….Oh okay Hawks!….But,it’s fun seeing u bantering with Ricky!…Btw,we don’t want to get ban from here too right??
#HailtoRicky!!
Cheers to u too Hawks!!
@Cheryl Murray you should stick to predicting closed roof matches.
Djokovic in 3 sets.
I’m Federer should obviously be at least slightly favored in this one. However, while Djokovic hasn’t looked his best this week, neither has Fed. Also, we saw in the Wimby SF just how much Novak is still capable of upping his level against the best players. So this could be much more competitive than we think. As with any hardcourt match between these two, I will not be surprised by a victory for either of them.
While Fed has been arguably the best faster hardcourt player for the last couple years, Novak is always a threat on any hardcourt in the world. Winning this match would be pretty big for both of them heading into the Open.
I guess I’ll go Fed in 3. Not feeling entirely confident in that pick, though.
Goffin retiring during early second set would help Fed at least physically. I’ll go with Fed in two tight sets. Fed will edge Djoko here to show us he’s the second best player so far this year, just behind Rafa and edges past Sasha.
We can’t compare this to Wimbledon; BO5 would allow Djoko time to find his rhythm and he only barely edged out Rafa on Rafa’s worst surface and in indoor conditions. In outdoor conditions Djoko’s serves become less effective and Fed’s serve is unbelievably great. Djoko will have a hard time returning Fed’s serve at Cincy, just like he has problem returning Tsitsipas’ serves at Toronto.
Hoping for a great match – another high quality battle of Fedolervic.
Nole in 2 7-6 7-5
Federer in 3
I think Djoker wants to win Cincy badly. Resolve is right up there but he is struggling.
Fed will start as heavy favorite, if he and Djoker play the way they are plaing now, Fed will win. If at any moment, he remembers on the other side that he is playing Djoker, he could give in .
Fed in 2 else Djoker in 3. It could end up a lot tighter than what people are expecting. Djoker will test Fed’s serve
Fed in 3
Neither player is currently at his best. Novak particularly is a good step or two below where he was at his 2015-16 best. That includes his Wimby title last month, where he managed to win even playing below his previous best.
Fed has shanked an awful lot of balls his last few matches, and his ROS has been MIA. However, his serve has been unbelievably good and Nole will have trouble breaking even with his incredible return. Maybe Fed’s been playing possum a bit, in which case he’ll step it up a notch and win handily. I’m not convinced, however, and I think it will be a lot tighter. Fed in 3.
H’mm. This seems to be one of those unstoppable force vs immovable object contests. Ordinarily I’d say Djokovic, but given that Fed’s serve hasn’t been broken at Cincy in living memory (ok, my memory isn’t that great these days) and he’s pretty good at tb’s too. Plus the rest thing versus the age thing… It’s really hard to win if you can’t break serve so I’ll go with Fed who owns Cincy in almost the same way Nadal owns Monte Carlo.
Rafa owns MC way better than Roger owns Cincy. Rafa loses serve once or twice in MC, but does not lose sets.
Also Fed has lost to Rafa in Cincy but Fed has never beaten Rafa in MC, Rome and RG. But given Rafa’s domination on clay is unparalleled , it can taken as a rough benchmark.
R. Federer in 3 or 2 tight sets.
Novak has a shot but I am not sure.
Will be an honor and a privilege to watch these 2 for a 46th time. GOAT in straight.
Nah, All Masters Win won’t mean Djoker is a GOAT
Federer in 2 sets.
It’s a totally clear, hot and sunny day in Cinci. That’s the exact conditions that Fed wants. Hot, sunny, and clear= fastest possible conditions. If it’s super humid then that could slow it down a bit, but I don’t know what the humidity is right now.
The humidity is 84% it says? My gosh…I’d suffocate. 85F is the expected high but I think with that humidity it must feel miserably hot on the court. Kiki Bertens is red-faced – Simona is fine and neither seem suffering. I don’t know if it’s reached the forecast high yet.
I take that back. Bertens needed to change her shoes and socks, she was dripping wet. Simona appears fine but she did get passive at the end of the 2nd set – so maybe tiring. Commentators seem to think the Ladies match is getting the brunt of the daily heat right now.
Can’t tell who will win – they are trading breaks and momentum. Halep has to be aggressive if she wants this.
Federer’s serve. What a weapon!
If Rafa had that,it would be mighty!!!
many break points saved in game one
Ajde Nole!!
Today, Roger has a lot of Rafa fans on his side, lol!!
Not this one 🙂
Lol!!! Hehe!!!
Anyway, good match so far!!!
I think Nole will win in 3….
both looking pretty good so far, but Fed looking better
Federer starting to look tired
set one to the Djoker
Fed’s forehand is all over the place
Vamos Nole! It is great when Nole returns this good and Rafa is not at the receiving end
And Mr lifetime sportsmanship award winner curses the court and gets a code violation 😀 😀 😀
#SportsmanshipAward
He did?
yes. He said “fuck you” to the court.
😀 😀 😀 Bit harsh for the court, no. The court which enabled him to get hundred holds in a row.
I think we all know whom it was directed towards while looking at the court 😀
no, he literally said it to the court. And then threw the ball at it.
Displacement therapy!
Haha!! Fed is going to lose i think!
Yes he sure did! Fed was not a happy camper!
Novak takes the first set.
Things just got very interesting.
Not for fed!
I sense another audible obscenity warning coming!
Fed looking his age in this match. Fed staying at the baseline is not going to win him this match; in fact Djoko looks the more aggressive of the two, stepping inside the court whenever possible.
Djoko looks quicker too, so Fed really has to depend heavily on his serve. Fed seems to try returning more aggressively, may not be a good strategy when he’s shanking more on his returns.
We all know who it was directed to.
Ajde Nole!!!!
(just in case there was any doubt)
Crappy fans cheer double fault.
#Chokovic
No cheers when Federer double faults.
Nole beaks back!
Idemoooooo!!!!
It is amazing how similar and desperate Roger and Rafa feel when serving to Nole.
break gone
Fed is angry. Ouch. uncharacteristic DF gives NOle a break point and Nole takes it.
Ah, sigh…back on serve.
I missed the first set. Dang it!
Federer doesn’t like Nole.
Many loud fedfans cheering time violation and double faults are classless.
Guess what is sure to happen after this performance from Nole
Rafole in the same quarter at the USO
He definitely won’t be in Rogers half.
Fed just does not seem to know what to do once in a rally
he’s even serving pretty well and still not holding
A USO2011 forehand by Nole
yep
Fed is doomed, missing easy shots so many times to lose his serve again! Fed’s ROS really sucks today, so Djoko has the upper hand in both his serve and his ROS I feel.
Not supporting either player but it’s just lesser of two evils so am hoping Fed to win this. Djoko will become more dangerous at the USO if he wins here; Fed not so much. Also, it’s embarrassing for the field and for Fedal to lose to Djoko when he isn’t even at his best.
Exactly!! How is anyone going to beat this guy when he is not even at hos best?!! This is a disgrace!!!
I am not even going to bother to watch USO!!
But I heard the comment-tators saying Nole had a good amount of supporters there. I have BG on ESPN.
Hoping Nole used whatever negativity he was hearing to his advantage. He is a villain to many fans when he’s facing Fedal. I want him to win this Cincy so much!
Maybe too much…
tsame.
They are just loud, not that they are big in numbers.
Vamos Nole!
tsame
tsame!
Fed should be coming forward more instead of staying at the baseline! He’s rushed by Djoko instead of rushing Djoko the way he did in the past.
I have to remember to settle down…this is very good entertainment win or lose!
What a pass! woohoo!!
Better if Nole wins though, for sure, no?
yes, *nervous lol
Why better? Djoko a bigger threat to Rafa than Fed is, looking at the way Fed is playing now! Rafa will suffer again in the hands of Djoko as it’s HCs all the way now till MC next year. Funny some Rafa fans are gunning for Djoko to win and becoming his invincible self again!
I know Djoko will be the ultimate goat, just not wishing Rafa has to suffer against him again so soon.
Vamoooooooooooos! What a return of serve.
that was an AWFUL service game by Fed
Djokovic did nothing
Federer’s age is beating him. He’s very weak today. Missing easy shots, making silly unforced. Disappointed.
Djokovic across the net makes Fed play – awful sometimes.
And vice versa…
@ vmk1
Please, dont use VAMOS for Novak!! Thank you!!
Djoko rising!
Peak Djoko in that game to break!
Vamos!!! I mean ajde!!!
Novak just had to show up today to win this title. Nothing more.
nightmarish stuff
it’s one match, calm down
Nole never won a set vs fed in Cincy before today.
Two more points.
Perfect finish for Novak going into USO. He will be top dog, man to beat!! This is truly disappointing!!
You can see it in his eyes that ‘I cant lose’ mentality!! Nobody is beating him at USO!! Choops!!
The way Fed is playing, he won’t be a threat at the USO!
Djoko will be a serious contender at the USO, and I hope it won’t be a start to another 7 in a row wins over Rafa, as it’s HCs all the way now till MC next year.
it’s one match, calm down
Yes please calm down! Honestly, peoplecread so much into these warm up tournaments. This win does not mean that Novak is the favorite and Fed has no chance!
Fed should not be dismissed over this loss.
If Fed can’t win a BO3 match on his favourite fast HC, you think he can win the title in BO5 slower USO court?
Three more points.
#AnyoneButFed
Tsame 😉
Four more points.
Federer will break here.
He has to improve or retire.
Novak came out playing so much better in this match. He was ready for Fed. This is going to be sweet for Novak if he wins this straight sets and gets the Masters slam.
Nole missing opportunities. Nervous mistakes.
Come on, Idemo! Please make him serve this out directly.
Three more points
What is missing for Rafa to get Masters slam?
Miami and Paris.
Many – Miami, Shanghai, Paris. He’s missing WTF too.
15-all.
Federer will break.
Two more points.
Miami and PAris. Shanghai too if you dont want to count the Madrid which Shanghai replaced
30-all.
Federer will break.
Championship point!
First Championship point Nole makes it! He’s got all nine masters titles!
I’m shaking…
#ViceGOAT
Novak did it! Wow! Great achievement!
Djoker played well. Fed was horrendous.
Yes. No.
Just handed his breaks, almost like intentionally. Is it age or his attitude? He was never into this game. Wasn’t confident at all. Nole just played decently. I think it’s mental. Fed doesn’t wouldn’ve played better against anyone else.
Sorry for my mistakes. Will rewrite. I think Fed wouldn’t have played as bad against anyone else. His serve is insecure against Djoko. I can feel his lack of confidence when serving. And the return doesn’t get any worse by his standards. Anyway, let’s see what happens at the USO. Right now looks like Rafa and Novak are favourites.
Ajde Nole!!!! Idenoooo!!!!!!
#ImJustHereForTheColdHandshake
LOL — thanks to you Hawks for being here and VMK1 too! Love you guys 😀
tsame rc!
Ohohohohohoho!!….Congrats to Nole & certainly to u RC!…God!I never thought he could outlasted Fed in just 2 sets!….And the HISTORY HE MADE!!URGH!!….This guy is truly ONE OF THE GOATS!!
Enjoy this win RC!!
Thanks darling MA! this is a milestone – really wanted it for him for a long time!
I knew he will come to this moment RC!….Even when everyone’s write him off for the last 2 years…i never believed it!…He’s one of The Big 4 RC!…He’s special!Just like Rafa,Fed & Andy….
I agree MA…it takes all 4 of them to make the Golden Era. But it will continue to be sad for me that Delpo was left out due to his many wrist surgeries. Also credit to Stan and Cilic – well you know for me, anyway. Stan upset me more than once but now I want him to soar! Andy too. And Delpo. And the new kids – you know who they are.
I still miss Davydenko. In many ways I look to Goffin to fill that role but it’s not quite the same.
U loved Davydenko RC??I did not know that!
It was his dimples. Yeah, and I like his wife, Marina. Davydenko was (maybe still is) an amazing athlete, Loved his abilities. He’s a father of I think 3 kids now! The first one is about the same age as Federer’s girls.
Why are you suprised? 😀
Coz he’s BALD RC!!Hehehehe….Tho,i admit,he’s an amazing athlete…He looks small but God!…He strikes the ball like he’s 10 feet tall!..uhh!!…
He’s proof that bald guys can be very sexy 😀
OH GOD!!…BALD IS SEXY???HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!….You’re a lost cause RC!!Hehehehe…
Also James Blake. Am I right? Yes, I am. So without posting pictures and ruining this thread, I say au revoir. Time for me to give Mr. RC some attention – before my computer gets smashed. He hates tennis – except in the era of Sampras. I’m trying to get him to bond with the idea of Stefanos Tsitsipas but no luck yet.
Rafa is pretty bald, Mira. He’s trying to fight it but not really succeeding, imo. Don’t you think he’s sexy?
Joe Smith has a crush on Rafa and daydreams about nail clippers.
Joe Smith AT 12:15 AM,
Enjoy your beloved one’s baldness:
https://i.eurosport.com/2018/01/20/2249999-46898777-1600-900.jpg
Not exactly, but he’s a very good looking man, with hair or not.
Yeah!James Blake a 1000 times more sexy than your Davy RC!!…Agree!….And enjoy your time with Mr.RC,RC!!
Joe…Err…NO!…I don’t find Rafa’s bald is sexy…I loved his younger version’s more…His long hair & rugged look…Like a rock star!…And coupled with his ROCK celebration with his knee high & fist pumping!Like at Wimby 2008..Oh wow!!…THAT IS SEXY JOE!!…
In case it wasn’t clear: I think Nadal is very good looking. Fed, not so much. At least he plays beautiful tennis (though not today).
Beauty fades, Mira. Maybe Rafa isn’t as good looking as he was at 22. But compare him to his dad or uncle Toni. Most guys would love to look like Rafa.
Yeah Joe!…Beauty fades!..And Rafa still good looking & handsome…And i still love looking at him…And coupled with his amazing tennis..He’s a joy to watch Joe!..
And Rog & Novak r good looking too…Their tennis & physics blending so beautifully together…We’re all feel blessed to have them all in this life Joe..What a treat!
Davy’s wife is Irvina, beautiful lady.
She is…and thank-you for correcting me. I thought her name was Marina. Beautiful family.
He will be the ultimate Goat, so there won’t be any more dispute as to whether Fed or Rafa is the Goat.
Somebody mentioned that Djoko is going to win the next five slams, if that happens then no question who’s the Goat. Let’s wait and see.
Nah, people get carried away. I’m not sure he has the temperament to last that long competing to accumulate the # of GS titles Fedal have. Seems he needs to get furious too many times during matches to get his energy out of the flat range and into his best level. He thinks too much, hears too much, notices too much. Remember him getting upset in a Roger’s Cup because he could smell someone smoking Marijuana? He played the entire match annoyed. Nats said it best somewhere on this thread.
I’m happy he’s back in the mix and can get fired up enough to have what it takes to win. But not sure how long he can take it.
Agree, RC (didn’t know about the pot smokers; that’s funny). Main think holding Novak back now, though is simply his age. I don’t think we’ll see him dominate like he did before, even if he wins a few more slams. Enjoy it while it lasts.
I think that’s what burned him out to begin with.
Does anyone actually watch tennis or just the highlights? So many questionable predictions this Cincinnati tournament.
Oh ho ho! Nole! Beating Mr Cincinnati himself
Have to congrat Djoko for doing something Fedal couldn’t do – winning all the Masters plus WTF and winning slams four in a row. And, that’s why I said, he’s the ultimate Goat in the making!
And ESPN does not show the trophy ceremony. Sheesh….disappointing. Not sure that would have happened if Federer won.
It’s on Tennistv.com if anyone wants to catch the trophy ceremony/
Classy speech from Federer.
Yes, and he can be forgiven for his cursing outburst on losing his first service game in four years. Who wouldn’t feel that way.
It wasn’t about that at all. I have it on good authority that he only swore because he was expecting a full breakfast this morning and there were only pastries and cheese.
Of course ,he can be forgiven! He is human just like the rest of us. What I have an issue with is the uber gentleman and suave status given to him by the media and the commentators. Nole’s racket smash was replayed so many times. Kyrgios’s outbursts are played on loop over and over again. But the god’s transgressions are buried and he even has been winning the sportsmanship award some 30 years in a row ! Sheeeeeesh
Well said vmk1 but I’m telling you it was all about the continental breakfast.
That and English isn’t his first language so there’s that yeah.
Huh. I’d say it’s about time he lost his serve, lol! I think he was just frustrated over having a pretty bad night there. Disappointing match.
ESPN isn’t into showing Masters trophy ceremonies lately. They didn’t show Toronto either. So many sports, so little time, I guess.
Novak is the fav for uso is true but Novak may beat Rafa 7 in a row is taking it too far. Fed was very very bad today n his return game was horrible.
Novak is the fav does not mean he will win uso. What if he draws Stan in first round ? The draw will be key but again that is immaterial. Fed was sure to reach wimby final given his draw but lost unexpectedly to Kevin. We will know in 3 weeks who will win. The draw will be key here …
The draw is key and then it’s immaterial?? What does that mean?
The draw is key to begin with on paper but then we have seen that draws just open up n don’t play as on paper is what I meant . So we need to wait n watch.
Lucky Novak is still 4 slams short of Rafa n 7 of Fed. Long way to go still to be the ultimate GOAT..
While draw is important obviously, I think the most important thing to notice is that nobody on field is very solid except Rafa. That’s more decisive than drae. But you never know…
I don’t think Eugene Rafa is more solid than Novak as we speak. I would give Novak the slight edge on a hc n given their most recent 5 set battle at wimby
Two years! The way Djoko is able to retrieve any shot, and the way the rest of the field is so hopeless, and Fedal are aging and couldn’t stop Djoko anymore; Stan the man not the man he once was.
Rafa stopped Djoko at the slams till 2014 FO, thereafter he couldn’t; Fed was worse, the last time he beat Djoko at the slams was Wimbledon 2012. Stan did beat Djoko thrice at the slams but Stan himself is also in his injury comeback. Murray too.
I initially thought Djoko may take another four years at least (ie winning two slams a year) to get to 20 slams and be the ultimate Goat; but after watching how poor the field is, and how Fedal couldn’t stop Djoko despite Djoko not even at his best level, I think Djoko can win at a quicker pace.
I also learn something, never underestimate Djoko, the ultimate grinder and fighter, he even outgrind Rafa and forces Rafa to become a more aggressive player to have a chance to get a win over Djoko.
Federer called Nole world number 1 lol. He looks flustered.
#Confused
I missed that part of the speech lol
This is so happy for Nole. This and Wimbledon. I’m happy after the long wait while he recovered himself after 2016
I had to go back and see if I heard it right. A sign that he was flustered. Otherwise a nice speech for sure.
Maybe he meant the best player in the world atm…
Something’s wrong with him… Weather could be a problem? I think it’s more than that. Weather wouldn’t justify his absurd unforced errors.
It was a nervous and awful performance from Fed’s perspective. It is glorious from Nole’s side.
Not time to write off Federer yet. I have done that too much and he proves me wrong every time.
Sign of old age…
+1
If Djoko wins USO then he’s in contention for world no.1. I won’t be surprised that he really becomes no.1 this year as the remaining part of the season is where he does well usually.
I am sorry for Benny, Big Al, and other Fedfans here – commies.
tsame (except for one)
It’s alright Rc, nothing and nobody lasts forever. Things change. Have to embrace reality. Fed will never be 25 again.
Whats more, if he wins Cincy next year, he will have a double masters sweep :O
Wow. Good catch vmk1.
And Sorry to all Fed fans…To reach final on his 1st HC comeback is always AWESOME!!..But then,HE’S ONE OF THE GOATS!!
Thanks to all for those of you who put up with my obvious antijinxings, especially Big Al.
With that said, look for Federer to rebound and win his 21 slam in a few weeks in New York!!!
Not going to happen.
Yeah!…Agree with Lucky!….Sorry Hawks!But i don’t think fed will win USO…
If you keep the same name for the USO, Ill know its reverse jinxing
@Cheryl Murray you should stick to predicting closed roof matches. vamos.
Nice to see a Sampras fan here but Cheryl knows more about tennis than you based on that post.
It’s just a troll trying to get some attention. Cheryl’s reputation as a great blogger and someone who knows so much about this game, is there for everyone to see.
Oh lovely a dig at Cheryl but not Ricky! From the misogynist himself! I wasn’t on tennistalk but already have a lot of respect for Cheryl (and Ricky of course).
Very impressive win for Novak. Well done, and very happy for his fans (of whom I count myself as one). That was probably the best I’ve seen him play since 2016. Fed, on the other hand, was just bad today. His lateral movement was especially bad, especially on the wide serve to the FH, and explains a lot of his errors. He also (I think) did not play smart tennis in failing to adjust a game plan that clearly wasn’t working. An obvious move is to take a step back on the ROS. Novak won over 80% of his second serves, and that just shouldn’t happen.
In the end Djokovic was just better in all aspects, maybe even the serve, which really let Roger down at some key points. I’m not sure if this was just a bad day. At 37, you always have to be open to it just being part of a marked decline, which I think is closer to the truth, unfortunately. Still, a great win for Djokovic, taking nothing away from him.
As I said in my cincy draw prediction: Fed for the win over Nole IF Fed is in the mood! Fed was obviously not in the mood tonight and Nole deserves this great win! Nole isn’t playing at his very best but what’s scary is that even his “not 100%” is still better than Rafa at Wimby or Fed at Cincy! Not sure about USO though…we shall see!
IMO Nole is not clear favorite for USO! His on court behavior and lack of anger management is a bit concerning! Fed was not himself tonight…not surprised though since he lost a set to Wawa and was clearly outplayed for set and a half…Unlike many here after watching Fed play I was not confident Fed would win tonight!
Rafa should by all means make a clear favorite for USO: the cement in USO suits him best of all HCs and he is well rested and confident after winning Toronto..,but defending title on surface other than clay has always been an issue for Rafa…hope it changes this time!
Vamos Champ!
Yeah Nats, I like the way you put it about all three of them. And esp agree about how scary Djoko is, when he’s beating Rafa and Fed when not even playing his best tennis and when Fedal are no.1 and no.2 right now!
nats,
Thank you for mentioning Rafa as one of the clear favorites for the USO! I also think Ged is still among the contenders. We don’t know if it was just a bad day at the office or something more. It was a dreadful performance by Fed’s lofty standards at this event.
It’s a great win for Nibsk, but I still do not think he is THE favorite.
On ESPN they kept talking about the draw and where Novak will end up. I am certainly not about to write off Rafa at all. That Wimby semifinal was way too close.
Oh stupid autocorrect! GED is Fed of course!
Nibsk is Novak!
Early pick -and definitely best odds at 33/1- for the USO: Wawrinka. He could have beaten Rafa in Montreal and should have beaten Fed in Cinci. He’s completely healed, getting better by the match, and will be ready to peak in NY. The slower HC suits him perfectly. Hopefully none of the top players draws him in R1.
How could Stan have beaten Rafa at Montreal when he didn’t even get a set??
I agree that he was competitive against Rafa in Toronto, but I never felt as though Rafa was in danger of losing that match (I was there). Federer? Yes. And yeah, Stan is back on form and whoever gets him in their quarter is dang unlucky.
He had a lead late in both sets, if I remember (maybe just triple break point in the 1st). Rafa was clutch in the big points and Stan choked a bit. I just feel, watching him, that if he can step it up a bit (which he usually does in slams), he can be the guy to beat. But definitely a dark horse pick.
Stan wasn’t leading in the first set against Rafa, just having BPs but that didn’t mean he would win the set, as Rafa more often than not, was able to save many BPs.
Cheryl,
I agree with your take on that match,even though I was not lucky enough to see it in person. I absolutely never thought Stan would win. I think Stan is definitely back and it’s nice to see.
Come to think of it, had Stan beaten Fed, he would’ve a good chance of reaching the final as Goffin had shoulder issue and had to retire in the SF.
Stan would’ve played better than Fed did against Djoko in the final (my guess) and might even stop Djoko from winning the title, it’s not improbable.
I feel sorry for Stan, he had a good chance of winning the title had he beaten Fed in the QF; and for most part of fhe match, he was the better player than Fed.
The way Stan hits the ball, he would be a handful for Djoko in the final. I think Stan won’t shank as much as Fed, and he having beaten Djoko at slam finals would give him much confidence seeing Djoko across the net.
In fact among the top guys, Stan seems the only one not having any mental burdens when playing against Djoko, unlike Fedal, Cilic, Delpo, Kei, Raonic and whoever.
So the rankings and seedings for the USO is set, with Rafa, Fed, Delpo, Sasha the TOP four seeds; followed by fifth seed Anderson, and Djoko has risen to no.6 after this win, 7th seed Cilic and 8th seed Dimi.
No.9 to 12 seeds are Thiem, Goffin, Isner and Schwartzman I believe; no.13-16 seeds are PCB, Foggy, Tsitsipas and Edmund if Im not wrong.
I’m glad Isner and Schwartzman are seeded within the no.9 to 12 range, so Rafa will avoid them in R4.
Whoa, so Djoko has beaten the 2012, 2014, 2015 champion Fed, the 2016 champion Cilic and the 2017 champion Dimi to win his 2018 Cincy title! Very impressive!
Pity he missed out the 2013 champ,he would have completed the set !
Why say “would” ?! Saying could or might have is ok but would is just silly.
We’ll never know.But it would take the 2013 champ at his 2013 HC level to beat him,I would say.
Don’t think so, for this Djoko wasn’t playing any better than the Djoko of 2013. The current Rafa is good enough to beat the current Djoko imo.
undoubtedly
If titles were based on what Fedfans thought, Rafa would be broke and Federer would be undefeated.
Most likely he would lose to the 2013 champ, who’s playing better tennis than anyone else playing at Cincy! The 2013 champ might get his second Cincy title beating the shanking Fed in the final!
Fed is no longer hitting his BH the way he did in 2017, and Rafa would be playing better than Stan to beat Fed.
Haven’t seen any of cincy or Montreal lucky!
But saying he would have beaten the world number one in that dismissive fashion is a. incredibly patronising and b.rubbish as no one knows the outcome of a match between top players in advance
Ps anonymous is me amy!!!
Don’t know why that happened!
fixed
Thanks Ricky!!☺
I did give Nadal a chance of winning.
Two guys who WOULD beat this Djoko – Rafa and Stan. Too bad, Rafa wasn’t there, and Stan lost narrowly to old man Fed.
Rafa is quicker than Fed and will not shank like Fed. He’s returning better than Fed too. Stan has the power and precision to blow Djoko off the court and could do it consistently throughout a match unlike Cilic who’s error prone when trying to do so.
The good thing about the result of the match is that websites are not getting flooded with worshipping Fed. 🙂
“The good thing about the result of the match is that websites are not getting flooded with worshipping Fed”
they should worship wafa instead who btw spent some serenity time recharging at the fuentes clinic, working on his 150 m/h us open serve.
grassgoat AT 2:59 AM,
Fed devotee, “the fuentes clinic” is one of a zillion fake stories created & being kept alive by Fed devotees’ propaganda apparatus for years.
But it’s a fact that Fed’s parents have worked for a pharmaceutical company.
Easy Augusta; Nobody has anything with you or against you. You do realize that if Fed won,then all Fed fans here including me would behave like normal people do? It’s not like Fed would’ve won his 1st match in 2 years. If you don’t like someone’s reaction when he wins, why don’t you confront that person directly, personally on youtube or other site he uses to posts. Why doing this here where both Rafa and Fed fans are more than decent. Well, most…I hope you think about that. They don’t deserve to be energized even more. Let them be.
Eugene says AT 9:47 AM: “Easy Augusta; Nobody has anything with you or against you.”
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Hmm. I didn’t write anything about myself.
Eugene says AT 9:47 AM: “…why don’t you confront that person directly…”
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Hmm. I always write the addressee’s name at the beginning of my post.
I know lots of people who work for pharmaceutical companies,it doesn’t mean they do drugs.
And for the record,Im a Nole fan so happy to see him back to his best,while I’m sad for Fed.
Btw, why is it called Career Golden Masters, when I don’t see him having any gold medal? It should just be called Career Masters, just like calling those who hold all four slams having the Career Slams. I thought Golden is used when that player has also won an Olympics Gold medal?
should be called Masters 1000 Slam
Golden has nothing to do with it
“Fed devotee, “the fuentes clinic” is one of a zillion fake stories created & being kept alive by Fed devotees’ propaganda apparatus for years.”
Operation “Puerto”. Judge Julia Patricia Santamaria begs to differ. Pure facts and zero fake liberal news.
Goat of BS no?
Strange how when jim disappeared within minutes grassrubbish was on the scene…😉
amy,
That is a very interesting observation!
grassgoat AT 2:20 PM
Your post AT 2:59 AM is a false story.
Everything grassgoat writes is a false story. He wouldn’t know the truth if it stood up and hit him in the face! He is just here to make trouble. He can’t handle the fact that Fed lost again. Too bad.
dumbgrassgoat,
You just gave yourself away with the fake news bit and the dig at liberals. Trust me, you do not want to get into it with me because I wipe the floor with you.
You are too stupid to even know how stupid you are.
“Your post AT 2:59 AM is a false story.”
sorry i don’t watch CNN.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operaci%C3%B3n_Puerto_doping_case
… “Media attention has focused on the small number of professional road cyclists named; however, sportspeople from other disciplines including football and tennis have also been connected with the scandal.” …
hard facts, so hard.
grassgoat 3:03 PM
What does your reply have to to with the FALSE story you posted AT 2:59 AM ?! 🙄
Remember who you are dealing with. He is using Trump’s code words because he is too stupid to think for himself. He is just here to post conspiracy theories and other imaginary thoughts. He’s a troll, pure and simple.
assgoat is a trump fan?
White male either low IQ, religious “right” or feeling threatened by equality.
Probably all of the above.
Yes, I go for all of the above!
😀
Sportsmanship of the Year Award…(How did Roddick never win this?)
https://www.express.co.uk/videos/551430/Cincinnati-Masters-Federer-FUMES-at-umpire-s-missed-line-call
hawk, I agree that Fed should have won less Sportmanship Awards. But not because he sometimes was mad at the empire. It would be pretty superficial to offer that Award only to quiet, passive players or ‘nice guys’. Arguing and being assertive is part of the game. Sometimes it energizes and motivates you inside and it has different causes and effects compared to what appears at the first glance.
I just think that other players deserved that award too. Giving it to Fed too many time was a bit too much. BUT, again, it’s not his fault. As far as I know, players vote for it. I’m sure he’s have handed to someone else.
Yes and Hillary won the popular vote as did Al Gore but look how that turned out. Fake WMD claims in IRAQ and thousands of children separated from their parents and emboldened racism in the US being all the rage again. But I digress.
Arguing and being disrespectful telling the umpire to apologize to him are two different things.
I would argue that Djokovic shows better sportsmanship than Federer, telling his opponents to challenge calls and being very friendly and congratulatory to his opponents when he loses. Federer’s handshake was pretty cold on Sunday.
I guess that speaks more about human beings as group mentality, than about Hillary or Fed. Not that you implied something else. But it’s fair to emphasize that as a summary.
I implied that votes are not always as they tseem. That’s all.
No prob. What’s ‘tsame’? is it cooler? has to do with Tsitsi??
tsomething like that
More to the point, Tsonga is out BTW.
(Tsad.)
Hawks and vr!! I believe it is vr’s birthday today and hawks’s tomorrow! Vr hope you have a great day today Just in case you still read here! You are very much missed by all.
Hawks I hope you have a great day tomorrow!
Happy birthday to both of you!
🎂🎂🎂
I left this here rather on non tennis forum as it is more likely you see it here!
Hey thank you Amy! happy b-day to vr wherever he be.
Is it tomorrow hawks? I calculated it as tomorrow because on the Sunday cincy ended in 2015 you said it was your birthday so I added 3 days on. Vr said it was his birthday on that Sunday as well but then last year it turned out you had birthdays on different days one before the other ! I think his is today!
Yup. Pretty sure about vr too!