good analysis in the Luxury article too: “Federer is the favorite to win his 18th Grand Slam, and he’ll do it in one of his favorite cities.” and the article ends with one of Federer’s frequent and endearing humble comment ;-).
yes, caught mine too, should have mentioned it too. 4 or 5 years ago he said something similar about 4 or 5 years and I didn’t believe it. Was wrong. Now I don’t believe it again. Can’t decide whether it is politically advisable speech, sponsorship-wise and competition-wise, or whether in his mind he really is serious about playing into his 37th / 38th year. I d believe that he is very motivated to add to his 17 slams to try to protect that record of his. That alone might make him play longer.
If Rafa is not on the scene, why not? The truth of the matter is Rafa is the only man who can consistently stand up to Federer, the rest are just sissies. Djokovic will in fits and starts, but not consistently. Federer knows this, this is why he can say he will be around longer. Deep down he is betting on injuries taking Rafa off the Tour, not saying he wishes that for Rafa. Without Rafa he can rule the rule once again!
¤¤ Real Clear Sports
The Undeniable Arrogance of Roger Federer ¤¤
BY TIM JOYCE – SEPTEMBER 3, 2014
NEW YORK – Fact: Roger Federer is one of a handful of players who is justifiably in the conversation of greatest of all time (GOAT).
Another fact: Roger Federer has won a total of one of the last 18 Grand Slams contested.
Yet, to read the coverage, or watch the embarrassingly gushing ESPN broadcasting of this year’s US Open one would think that Federer is the same dominating player he was back in 2007 and the only storyline at this year’s final Slam tournament.
Now, of course, some of this is entirely understandable. The 33-year-old is again playing some superb tennis, a testament to his extraordinary physical conditioning. And to be able to maintain not just the physical attributes necessary to continue to compete at Slams but also the desire, the mental strength to carry on this late in a career is nothing short of phenomenal. And, lastly, it’s natural for people to shower appreciation and praise upon a great athlete who is near the end of a career – just look at the attention being paid to Derek Jeter, in the final year of his brilliant tenure and he isn’t one-third the player he was in his prime.
But there’s another side to this out-in-the-open Federer worship that has permeated coverage the entirety of Federer’s career; that is, failing to acknowledge the arrogant and passive aggressive nature of Federer’s demeanor – behaviors that too often border on the narcissistic and entitled.
The media has forever relentlessly uttered superlatives regarding Federer’s “sportsmanship” and “classy demeanor.” But, while he usually comports himself very admirably on court, Federer’s snarkier comments and questionable acts are often overlooked, as if any detour from the hagiographic narrative would be an affront to Federer’s legions of fan, or even to the sport itself…¤¤
^^I found the comments section of the article interesting. They just reinforce the point the author was making. Roger has many fine qualities. By all accounts, he’s professional in his dealings with most everyone, he’s good to the public, etc, and of course he’s one of the best to ever play the game. However, he is NOT humble. Just because a person possesses many good qualities doesn’t mean they possess all known good qualities. I adore Rafa to the nth degree, but I would never try and make an argument that he’s punctual.
To add, I would never try and make the argument that Rafa is perfect. In fact, that is Rafa’s charm for me: the obvious imperfections! I will never have his tennis prowess but in everything else, he sounds, speaks, looks like any ordinary Joe……..super fetching to me!
^^^
The essential difference between FedUps and Rafans is the former remain blind to his shortcomings l and in denial that he is anything other than perfect: Rafansr embrace his imperfections and love him all the more for them.
Offhand I can’t think of any but I’m sure he must have some 😉
This final paragraph sums it up.
Emperor Federer and the naked truth
“It’s time for the media to admit the naked truth: that Federer’s claim to be the greatest of all time seems increasingly hollow. More damning is the public image spun on the loom of the press of a gentleman ambassador. Today, this looks an even dafter ensemble than the gold-lamé manbag and Sergeant Pepper warm-up suit that he once paraded with such smug self-belief on this great sport’s most-hallowed patch. ”
great articles, both of them, on Roger’s arrogance
should I feel flattered that one of them used (copied ? 🙂 my analogy of the last few years on TT? Emperor (The One) has no clothes…
finally, how is it augusta and nadline that you seem to seriously think hawkeye is a fan of The One. I don’t get it.
Cholro, hawkeye buys into the Federazzi propaganda and sees everything Federer through rose tinted glasses. She still remains in the Nadal camp because she knows it would be foolish to jump onto a sinking ship.
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I know that you two have thought this, you’ve written it before. But sincerely, and with respect, your strong feelings for Rafa have made you sometimes come to conclusions that are off the mark… esp wrt hawkeye. I don’t mind all your feelings for Rafa, I have them too in my own way, and I’m a ‘he’ :-). So is hawkeye, a ‘he’, as I think you know nadline. hawkeye wrote for years on TT as conspi… you know that too nadline, so it should be clear how he feels thinks about the boy from the island and the boy from the mountains. Now he’s just humouring your misunderstanding.
Anyway, nadline, keep those great comments on our boy coming, and augusta, keep all the well researched info on our boy coming. Love it.
augusta08 says:September 10, 2014 at 10:21 am
hawkeye63 has (almost) always tried to rescue Fed after I have posted info about Rafa
Corrections in CAPS: should read:
hawkeye63 has (almost) always tried to rescue REALITY after I have posted RIDICULOUS STATEMENTS about FANBOT MISINFORMATION.
I think it’s different from what happened to me on Tennis Talk and continued on this new forum. I was called out for standing up for Novak and that apparently made me a fake Rafa fan. So it’s not always done in fun. Sometimes it can get downright nasty and personal.
I just don’t think anyone gets to tell someone else who they are or why they do or do not like. I didn’t know their was a set of rules for how to be a Rafa fan. So it’s not funny to me. But I enjoy hawkeye’s humor. It’s a good way to deal with it, because sometimes it’s so over the top that all one can do is laugh.
There’s no question that hawkeye is a Rafa fan. But there’s no obsession or intolerance. That’s the difference.
Chloro, we are just trying to make hawkeye see things as they are with no blinkers on. Rafa plays to a full house and all hawkeye sees is a stadium 1/3 full; Roger plays to a half empty stadium and all hawkeye sees is a stadium full to capacity.
Chloro, I’m talking about tennis and they are talking about juvenile infatuation.I back up every one of my statements with data but they deal with rhetoric and baseless accusations unable to support their take on “reality”.
you can’t reason with some fans (not even tennis fans mind you) who believe themselves better than everyone else. But you sure can have some fun with them!!!
to be honest, nadline,
I have not noticed hawkeye not getting your points. I do see you coming to conclusions about him that do not match. I do think that your deep feelings for rafa make you sometimes less rational or objective than you think you might be. I don’t mean to say this in an insulting way at all. Not condescending or patronising either. There are a lot of things that can make us sometimes see things more trough emotions than otherwise, and that’s good as without them life would be pretty cold. Hey, my wife makes fun of me sometimes about my feelings for rafa, being a ‘he’ and perhaps old enough to be his dad. What I am trying to say is that augusta and you have made a bit of a storm in a teacup, and then hawkeye adds to it as it seems to amuse him. It just goes round and round while the three of you are not disagreeing about anything fundamental wrt to rafa, the one, their popularity or their fans in general.
ok so all you three are having fun doing the wash rinse repeat with each other on whether or not hawkeye is a fedfanboy (spoiler: no) and whether gussie and carrie sometimes don’t see things realistically due to their beautiful and unfathomably deep feelings for rafito (spoiler: yes)…
if you keep having fun with the washing and rinsing, then by all means keep repeating.
Chloro@September 10, 2014 at 1:44 pm
— repeat with each other on whether or not hawkeye is a fedfanboy (spoiler: no)—
I have never written that hawkeye is a fedfanboy!
He has called me ”’augusta08 the federazzi”’ and ”’Facebook fanboy”’ & ”’a fanatic of Rafa Facebook page.”’ Maybe he has given me more names…
Excerpts
¤¤ hawkeye63 says:
September 6, 2014 at 6:21 pm
You two [nadline 10 and augusta08] are no tennis fans. Just a couple of Facebook fanboys.
Keep counting those likes.
hawkeye63 says:
September 6, 2014 at 6:35 pm
Yes a fanatic of his Facebook page. But you [augusta08] are no tennis fan IMO. ¤¤
This all very reminiscent of the last time Rafa was hors de combat and the devil found work for idle hands. On that occasion I was the one being keel hauled for something I’d said and was branded as a fake Rafan.
yes he does enjoy it….
and we don’t have any juicy trolls who are invariably such easy targets (and very annoying sometimes), like in the ‘good old days of TT’…. I do like the moderated climate here a lot better …
augusta, keep those rafa posts coming… even here on the player page of The One (with the mirror darkly framed white)
ed, I’m glad you’ve brought some good common sense into all this. It’s just harmless banter which the people involved are grown up enough to see for what it is. Sometimes these things get very personal and abusive, but thankfully, despite certain confrontational interventions from other parties, which we’ve managed to ignore, it has remained just a bit of fun.
Notwithstanding the above, I do think hawkeye should take off those Federazzi blinkers.
Spoken by the person who is humorless when it comes to a Rafa fan saying anything supportive about another player!
“Confrontational interventions from other parties”! Now that is really something!
For someone who started this battle a long time ago and made it personal right from the beginning, talk about being two-faced and hypocritical! There’s a take no prisoners attitude here and trying to wiggle one’s way out of it, is beyond disingenuous.
There is good natured fun and then there is petty, vindictive personally offensive insults. There is a difference.
I have never read a single shread of hatred in nny’s posts re nadline, not in this one nor before.
You and and nadline share what comes across as a black and white view of people when it comes to Rafito, and it tends to make you jump to judgements on the rest of us, even die-hard rafans, instantaneously and apparently with no self awareness of this. THAT is probably the main thing that motivates hawkeye in his games with you. Yes his games are not all nice… but perhaps it is time the two of you took an honest look at things around here.
It is easy to write words. It is easy to write the word ‘projection’. But when I read a comment like yours that says that nny must have a lot of hatred, believe me, gussie, you are way off the mark here. Then what remains is projection.
—You and and nadline share what comes across as a black and white view of people when it comes to Rafito, and it tends to make you jump to judgements on the rest of us—
Why do you EXTEND something (whatever) to “the rest of us” ??? Could you say concretely.
seriously, augusta, that was not clear? ok: to nny, to myself, hawkeye and any number of other people writing here when they happen to write something that does not fit into your what appears to be black and white views of rafito, anything touching him, and what appears to be very black and white views of posters here on TT. Anyone at all, anyone who does not write in equally black and white views seems to be then viewed as a hater, or having blinkers on, and potentially treated with strong language.
no, neither or you are nearly as extreme as the trolls were on TT. And your motivation is, I believe, those deep feelings for one rafito boy from the island. But when several regular readers and posters the likes of nny, hawkeye and me (as well as subtle hints from one ricky) are trying to tell you the same thing, people who are level-headed, have been around a long time, including tennis, then perhaps take a few long breaths, and with a calm and humble mind ask yourself whether perhaps you have been overreacting for several months now and can no longer see what’s starting you in the face.
Chloro@September 11, 2014 at 6:29 pm
—Anyone at all, anyone who does not write in equally black and white views seems to be then viewed as a hater, or having blinkers on, and potentially treated with strong language—
I don’t know anything about these ANYONE! I ask again: could you say concretely.
gussie, if you want to reply to me, please reply to what we are writing about… not this side topic of how he motivates you to post. You wrote that nny must have a lot of hatred for nadline, remember? THAT is what I posted follow up comments.
At any rate, you know my views now. If you just want to leave this as is, that’s up to you.
Chloro@September 11, 2014 at 6:41 pm
— You wrote that nny must have a lot of hatred for nadline, remember? THAT is what I posted follow up comments.—
But WHY do you post long comments about WHATEVER?!
As for my comment to NNY, it WASN’T about Rafa!!! I was wondering why NNY reacted ironically (? or is there any other word to describe it? ) to nadline10’s comment!
I did not write long posts to start. And my short and long posts are not about WHATEVER. And you did not write about possible irony. You used to words ‘lot of hatred’. Which are pretty heavy words.
And you know all that I wrote in the previous paragraphs, clearly. I find your last few posts very disingenious, which is what people usually call it but let me call it more explicitly: dishonest. If you want to continue to be seen as attacking easily fellow rafans here, or non-rafans, and then not owning up to it while writing dishonest glib posts, so be it. Your choice.
I truly enjoyed all your informative posts about rafa all these years, and will continue to enjoy them. I didn’t mind your very strong feelings about Rafa at all. However, the way you jump to conclusions about various people here and what you sometimes write about them is not gracious. In fact it is about as opposite an attitude as you would find Rafa choosing in easy time (here at tenngrand) or in hard time (e.g. after a hearbreaking defeat at a final, e.g due to injury).
No, you defended the French crowd who cheer Rafa’s opponents because he had stopped their adopted and beloved Federer from winning the French Open year after year.
This has lessened somewhat since Federer won in 2009 but is still present to this day.
They are undeserving of such a fine champion as Rafa.
The French Open should be played in Spain, the only place in the world besides Serbia where Fed is not favoured over every other player.
I remember those posts from back when they were posted, now that I read them again. Wasn’t that the day where there we suspected many tennis fans arrived later to RG due to traffic? At any rate, yes it started then. With a debate re how the RG crowd treats Rafa. But that has always been a mixture, some of the crowd well the rest not. We all agree that it has gotten much better recently compared to early years – and the badness of enough of the RG crowd of early years was not all an invention, we witnessed it even on TV. We also wrote about it about every spring at TT.
In the meantime it’s 4 months later. And the arguing about how many people do or do not attend rafa’s matches and practice sessions rages on… due to the mean hawkeye 🙂
Chloro@September 10, 2014 at 7:21 pm
— it’s 4 months later. And the arguing about how many people do or do not attend rafa’s matches and practice sessions rages on—
I repeat that hawkeye63 gives me PERMANENTLY (new!) reasons to post something about Rafa! For example, the reason to post pictures from his practice session.
gussie, you do not need anyone to give you reasons to post about rafa… those posts are always welcome, as they always were before… we have embraced you long ago as our resident top internet researcher (and yes, some others here are not too shabby that way), and resident top rafa news poster
like I said, if you three enjou this, if it is really just about having fun and nothing else, especially while we are waiting another long rafa-wait, then by all means wash rinse and repeat
in the meantime, kind wishes, best regards,
whilst I remain your humb1e
#adjuligator
My comment I posted on Wednesday hasn’t appeared. I repeat it (but I post a PICTURE of the tweet instead of the original tweet).
September 10, 2014
Chloro@September 10, 2014 at 7:21 pm
…
I posted a lot of pictures from Rafa’s practice sessions after hawkeye63 posted Mr.Rothenberg’s tweet: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BxQAu_6IMAAsEeI.png
in other words, I have been reading these threads on TT all along, with some exceptions, like while on vacation, and some weeks I have skimmed some threads rather than read right through. But hard to miss most of this whirlwind of a debate. My poor head and heart pulled this way and that. They like rafa (it’s true!). They don’t like rafa (so says, it is claimed, the mean conspiroman!). I’m objective! No I’m not!
OK, so now I might come across as … fill in the blank. But do you not see the picture of what is going on here?
hawkeye maintains that Federer has packed out practice sessions and when augusta posts evidence of Rafa’s packed out practice sessions he simply won’t accept it, showing a clear bias as a true federazzi.
you are right on this, nadline: when augusta presents a photo with full stands hawkeye looks at the photo and cannot see the people in the bleachers, sometimes the opposite happens with pictures of The One’s practice. Practice.
hawkeye, may I advise you go for another eye exam? new prescription needed for your specs.
I can only say a heartfelt thank you for your post @ 5:52 pm. I am really at a loss as to how one would respond to what augusta wrote about me having so much hate in my heart for nadline. She knows who started it on Tennis Talk. She knows who called me out publicly there for not being a true Rafa fan because I defended Novak about his ankle injury. She didn’t let up, either. Even teaming up at one point with the likes of the dreadful scoretracker to make fun of me and insult me. So that was the start of it. But even I would never go so far as to accuse nadline or anyone here of hatred. That is a very strong word and should not be used carelessly.
I am grateful that you know me for who I am. At one point it got so bad that I thought of leaving, but realized that this was all the more reason for me to stay. It’s important to stay true to yourself at all times. I love Rafa will all my heart and soul. So much so that my family has taken me to task and felt that I was too emotionally invested for my own good. The people who really know me, those who have actually spoken to me and looked me in the eye, who know what I am about and what I believe, those are the ones whose opinions ultimately matter the most.
It’s gone too far. That’s all I can say. But your words provide comfort and make me realize that some here do understand me. You said it all better than I ever good. But from a beleaguered member of this forum, who has struggled with staying here, all I can say is it’s much appreciated.
thank you for your kind words, nny, and for yours, hawkeye (the other day)
nny, you’re welcome, and I am sure there are several here (and there were more on TT when there were simply more of us regular posters) who have a pretty clear idea of you as a person (up to the point you have written your views and we can know someone through this narrow and _almost_ anonymous mode of communication). Actually after we read each other’s many posts there is a lot that transpires about us.
it’s important for anyone posting anywhere that all the eyes that will read what you wrote (and there are many pairs of eyes) are all human beings, incredible human beings and all deserve courtesy and decent treatment. that ties again back to what many of us appreciate about rafa, beyond his passion and achievements: his basic decency, and his not (as far as any of us can tell) deifying what so many deify: success + fame + fortune. He may be using the social media and games as much as the next person, but he is about as little narcissistic as many today are narcissistic.
—augusta wrote about me having so much hate in my heart for nadline. She knows who started it on Tennis Talk. She knows who called me out publicly there for not being a true Rafa fan because I defended Novak about his ankle injury.—
No, I don’t remember PERSONAL battles of other people!
For good measure Federer later went on to rubbish Stan by claiming he’d had to ‘carry’ him in their matches – implying he’d won the doubles medal single-handed in spite of him.
Since he won it single-handedly they should award him the 2008 tennis _single_ gold medal. I hear it can be found in someone’s collection on some island.
The Davis Cup incident was more a question of something lost in translation. What he said was Stan had not played badly (pas mal) which. while damning with faint praise. was not the same as saying he played badly which was how it got reported at the time.
augusta08 defends the disrespectful behaviour of the French Open crowd and admits he has no creativity and is owned by Me when he used the trademarked Federazzi(TM) without the express written consent of Comspirator Corp.
Hawkeye, you are not immune to imitating me by infringing my copyright to ‘not letting the facts get in the way of a good story’, and ‘not seeing the wood for the trees’. So far, ‘running with the deer and hunting with the hounds’ is safe.
To hawkeye63
Fed & crowd at Roland Garros
Shut up!
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m55zp6OlEe1r1ixfw.gif
What a popular role model, not!
Classless.
#OnManyLevels
You guys!!!
Here’s Roger in Beach Modern Luxury magazine!!!!!
http://modernluxury.com/beach/digital-edition
good analysis in the Luxury article too: “Federer is the favorite to win his 18th Grand Slam, and he’ll do it in one of his favorite cities.” and the article ends with one of Federer’s frequent and endearing humble comment ;-).
Sycophantic or what?
^^What caught my attention about that article is that in the second to last paragraph, he says that he estimates he has another 4 or 5 years as a pro.
yes, caught mine too, should have mentioned it too. 4 or 5 years ago he said something similar about 4 or 5 years and I didn’t believe it. Was wrong. Now I don’t believe it again. Can’t decide whether it is politically advisable speech, sponsorship-wise and competition-wise, or whether in his mind he really is serious about playing into his 37th / 38th year. I d believe that he is very motivated to add to his 17 slams to try to protect that record of his. That alone might make him play longer.
If Rafa is not on the scene, why not? The truth of the matter is Rafa is the only man who can consistently stand up to Federer, the rest are just sissies. Djokovic will in fits and starts, but not consistently. Federer knows this, this is why he can say he will be around longer. Deep down he is betting on injuries taking Rafa off the Tour, not saying he wishes that for Rafa. Without Rafa he can rule the rule once again!
https://twitter.com/jon_wertheim/status/507966141575462912
i wouldn’t be so sure…
testing
I am trying to copy and paste an article entitled:
‘The Undeniable Arrogance Of Roger Federer’
but it’s not showing up. You can google it; it says it all. Someone’s got to say it.
Thank you @nadline10 for the above blog on Fed. I have only one word to describe it: APT.
Of course the author will be dismissed as a bitter Rafan but the truth is out there, if you CHOOSE to see it.
nadline10@September 6, 2014 at 6:43 am
I googled
¤¤ Real Clear Sports
The Undeniable Arrogance of Roger Federer ¤¤
BY TIM JOYCE – SEPTEMBER 3, 2014
NEW YORK – Fact: Roger Federer is one of a handful of players who is justifiably in the conversation of greatest of all time (GOAT).
Another fact: Roger Federer has won a total of one of the last 18 Grand Slams contested.
Yet, to read the coverage, or watch the embarrassingly gushing ESPN broadcasting of this year’s US Open one would think that Federer is the same dominating player he was back in 2007 and the only storyline at this year’s final Slam tournament.
Now, of course, some of this is entirely understandable. The 33-year-old is again playing some superb tennis, a testament to his extraordinary physical conditioning. And to be able to maintain not just the physical attributes necessary to continue to compete at Slams but also the desire, the mental strength to carry on this late in a career is nothing short of phenomenal. And, lastly, it’s natural for people to shower appreciation and praise upon a great athlete who is near the end of a career – just look at the attention being paid to Derek Jeter, in the final year of his brilliant tenure and he isn’t one-third the player he was in his prime.
But there’s another side to this out-in-the-open Federer worship that has permeated coverage the entirety of Federer’s career; that is, failing to acknowledge the arrogant and passive aggressive nature of Federer’s demeanor – behaviors that too often border on the narcissistic and entitled.
The media has forever relentlessly uttered superlatives regarding Federer’s “sportsmanship” and “classy demeanor.” But, while he usually comports himself very admirably on court, Federer’s snarkier comments and questionable acts are often overlooked, as if any detour from the hagiographic narrative would be an affront to Federer’s legions of fan, or even to the sport itself…¤¤
Read more in:
http://www.realclearsports.com/articles/2014/09/03/the_undeniable_arrogance_of_federer.html#.VArEjPmSxXY
Thanks for posting the article Augusta. I thought you would be able to do it do it.
^^I found the comments section of the article interesting. They just reinforce the point the author was making. Roger has many fine qualities. By all accounts, he’s professional in his dealings with most everyone, he’s good to the public, etc, and of course he’s one of the best to ever play the game. However, he is NOT humble. Just because a person possesses many good qualities doesn’t mean they possess all known good qualities. I adore Rafa to the nth degree, but I would never try and make an argument that he’s punctual.
^^
To add, I would never try and make the argument that Rafa is perfect. In fact, that is Rafa’s charm for me: the obvious imperfections! I will never have his tennis prowess but in everything else, he sounds, speaks, looks like any ordinary Joe……..super fetching to me!
^^^
The essential difference between FedUps and Rafans is the former remain blind to his shortcomings l and in denial that he is anything other than perfect: Rafansr embrace his imperfections and love him all the more for them.
Offhand I can’t think of any but I’m sure he must have some 😉
Maggy Bassett has just posted this link on VB:
http://www.murraysworld.com/columns/article/20600/
This final paragraph sums it up.
Emperor Federer and the naked truth
“It’s time for the media to admit the naked truth: that Federer’s claim to be the greatest of all time seems increasingly hollow. More damning is the public image spun on the loom of the press of a gentleman ambassador. Today, this looks an even dafter ensemble than the gold-lamé manbag and Sergeant Pepper warm-up suit that he once paraded with such smug self-belief on this great sport’s most-hallowed patch. ”
http://www.murraysworld.com/columns/article/20600/
Guessing it wasn’t time since this article is over two years old yet the media still carries a torch for all things Fed.
Same as you do.
You’re confusing Fed with My BFF, nadline10.
#UnrequitedLove
For My two Tenngrand BFF’s…
http://www.townandcountrymag.com/leisure/sporting/roger-federer-tc-oct-14?src=spr_TWITTER&spr_id=1454_86781977#slide-1
#EmptySeats
great articles, both of them, on Roger’s arrogance
should I feel flattered that one of them used (copied ? 🙂 my analogy of the last few years on TT? Emperor (The One) has no clothes…
finally, how is it augusta and nadline that you seem to seriously think hawkeye is a fan of The One. I don’t get it.
Chloro@September 10, 2014 at 3:20 am
—how is it augusta and nadline that you seem to seriously think hawkeye is a fan of The One. I don’t get it.—
I haven’t written that hawkeye63 is a fan of The One. I have written that he always hurries to RESCUE The One.
hawkeye63 has called ME augusta08 the federazzi – because I don”t worship The One! Do you get it??? 😀
Cholro, hawkeye buys into the Federazzi propaganda and sees everything Federer through rose tinted glasses. She still remains in the Nadal camp because she knows it would be foolish to jump onto a sinking ship.
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hawkeye63@September 10, 2014 at 7:54 pm
I AM PERSONA NON GRATA in Hawkeye63-land!
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@hawkeye63 September 10, 2014 at 7:54 pm
Hmmmm, do I want to belong to a club that accepts me as a member?
Through hawkeye’s blinkers, Federer ALWAYS plays to a full house and Nadal plays to a stadium only 1/3 full.
God, it’s KILLING Meeeeeeeeeee!!!!!
#DontYou???
I know that you two have thought this, you’ve written it before. But sincerely, and with respect, your strong feelings for Rafa have made you sometimes come to conclusions that are off the mark… esp wrt hawkeye. I don’t mind all your feelings for Rafa, I have them too in my own way, and I’m a ‘he’ :-). So is hawkeye, a ‘he’, as I think you know nadline. hawkeye wrote for years on TT as conspi… you know that too nadline, so it should be clear how he feels thinks about the boy from the island and the boy from the mountains. Now he’s just humouring your misunderstanding.
Anyway, nadline, keep those great comments on our boy coming, and augusta, keep all the well researched info on our boy coming. Love it.
chloro@September 10, 2014 at 10:04 am
— augusta, keep all the well researched info on our boy coming—
hawkeye63 has (almost) always tried to rescue Fed after I have posted info about Rafa
http://ui.crawlersmileys.com/files/smileys/07/02/11667.gif
hawkeye63 is having fun. I think, I can have fun too!
augusta08 says:September 10, 2014 at 10:21 am
hawkeye63 has (almost) always tried to rescue Fed after I have posted info about Rafa
Corrections in CAPS: should read:
hawkeye63 has (almost) always tried to rescue REALITY after I have posted RIDICULOUS STATEMENTS about FANBOT MISINFORMATION.
#HopeThisHelps
#BewareEmptySeats
@Chloro,
I think it’s different from what happened to me on Tennis Talk and continued on this new forum. I was called out for standing up for Novak and that apparently made me a fake Rafa fan. So it’s not always done in fun. Sometimes it can get downright nasty and personal.
I just don’t think anyone gets to tell someone else who they are or why they do or do not like. I didn’t know their was a set of rules for how to be a Rafa fan. So it’s not funny to me. But I enjoy hawkeye’s humor. It’s a good way to deal with it, because sometimes it’s so over the top that all one can do is laugh.
There’s no question that hawkeye is a Rafa fan. But there’s no obsession or intolerance. That’s the difference.
Chloro, we are just trying to make hawkeye see things as they are with no blinkers on. Rafa plays to a full house and all hawkeye sees is a stadium 1/3 full; Roger plays to a half empty stadium and all hawkeye sees is a stadium full to capacity.
Chloro, I’m talking about tennis and they are talking about juvenile infatuation.I back up every one of my statements with data but they deal with rhetoric and baseless accusations unable to support their take on “reality”.
you can’t reason with some fans (not even tennis fans mind you) who believe themselves better than everyone else. But you sure can have some fun with them!!!
#MakingLemonadeWithTwoSourLemons
#NadlinesWorld
#Practise
to be honest, nadline,
I have not noticed hawkeye not getting your points. I do see you coming to conclusions about him that do not match. I do think that your deep feelings for rafa make you sometimes less rational or objective than you think you might be. I don’t mean to say this in an insulting way at all. Not condescending or patronising either. There are a lot of things that can make us sometimes see things more trough emotions than otherwise, and that’s good as without them life would be pretty cold. Hey, my wife makes fun of me sometimes about my feelings for rafa, being a ‘he’ and perhaps old enough to be his dad. What I am trying to say is that augusta and you have made a bit of a storm in a teacup, and then hawkeye adds to it as it seems to amuse him. It just goes round and round while the three of you are not disagreeing about anything fundamental wrt to rafa, the one, their popularity or their fans in general.
Chloro@September 10, 2014 at 5:24 pm
— augusta and you have made a bit of a storm in a teacup, and then hawkeye adds to it as it seems to amuse him—
I am amused – because hawkeye63 gives me permanently reasons to post something about Rafa!
http://www.matcuoi.com/smiley/sm73D_78.gif
ok so all you three are having fun doing the wash rinse repeat with each other on whether or not hawkeye is a fedfanboy (spoiler: no) and whether gussie and carrie sometimes don’t see things realistically due to their beautiful and unfathomably deep feelings for rafito (spoiler: yes)…
if you keep having fun with the washing and rinsing, then by all means keep repeating.
beautiful? or scary.
#Semantics
Chloro@September 10, 2014 at 1:44 pm
— repeat with each other on whether or not hawkeye is a fedfanboy (spoiler: no)—
I have never written that hawkeye is a fedfanboy!
He has called me ”’augusta08 the federazzi”’ and ”’Facebook fanboy”’ & ”’a fanatic of Rafa Facebook page.”’ Maybe he has given me more names…
Excerpts
¤¤ hawkeye63 says:
September 6, 2014 at 6:21 pm
You two [nadline 10 and augusta08] are no tennis fans. Just a couple of Facebook fanboys.
Keep counting those likes.
hawkeye63 says:
September 6, 2014 at 6:35 pm
Yes a fanatic of his Facebook page. But you [augusta08] are no tennis fan IMO. ¤¤
https://tenngrand.com/2014/09/05/u-s-open-sf-previews-and-picks-djokovic-vs-nishikori-federer-vs-cilic/comment-page-1/#comment-114555
augusta08 says: September 10, 2014 at 2:32 pm
He has called me ”’augusta08 the federazzi”’
That was a typo. Should have read “augusta08 and the federazzi.”
The other two were accurate.
You are not federazzi even though your methods (that you criticize others for employing) are the same.
And just for completeness, I’ve referred to you also as a Pot as in “calling the kettle black”.
#HopeThisHelps!
do you?
See what I mean?
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/09/roger-federer-us-open-rain-delay-stadium-attendance
I see exactly what you mean.
You see what you wish to see, not what is there to be seen.
#NadlinesWorld
#Myopia
This all very reminiscent of the last time Rafa was hors de combat and the devil found work for idle hands. On that occasion I was the one being keel hauled for something I’d said and was branded as a fake Rafan.
Whereas they are just fake tennis fans.
ed251137@September 10, 2014 at 5:27 pm
Have I understood correctly that hawkeye63 is a victim of somebody? Whose victim ?
Ray Rice
How did you know?
Hawkeye enjoys ruffling feathers……… 😉
Thankfully the exchanges are good natured and make for amusing reading for the rest of us.
yes he does enjoy it….
and we don’t have any juicy trolls who are invariably such easy targets (and very annoying sometimes), like in the ‘good old days of TT’…. I do like the moderated climate here a lot better …
augusta, keep those rafa posts coming… even here on the player page of The One (with the mirror darkly framed white)
#YoureWelcome
Ricky
re #YoureWelcome
Yes, I should have come out and written it clearly, as we have not for a while:
Thank you!
Yes, Thank you! for this website and moderating it
#cantbesaidenough
haha I was kidding
#ButThanks!
ed, I’m glad you’ve brought some good common sense into all this. It’s just harmless banter which the people involved are grown up enough to see for what it is. Sometimes these things get very personal and abusive, but thankfully, despite certain confrontational interventions from other parties, which we’ve managed to ignore, it has remained just a bit of fun.
Notwithstanding the above, I do think hawkeye should take off those Federazzi blinkers.
Tennis integrity blinkers.
#YoureWelcomeMyFan
#MythBusters
^^^^
Spoken by the person who is humorless when it comes to a Rafa fan saying anything supportive about another player!
“Confrontational interventions from other parties”! Now that is really something!
For someone who started this battle a long time ago and made it personal right from the beginning, talk about being two-faced and hypocritical! There’s a take no prisoners attitude here and trying to wiggle one’s way out of it, is beyond disingenuous.
There is good natured fun and then there is petty, vindictive personally offensive insults. There is a difference.
nativenewyorker7@September 11, 2014 at 4:48 pm
You must have a deep hatred for nadline10.
no gussie,
I have never read a single shread of hatred in nny’s posts re nadline, not in this one nor before.
You and and nadline share what comes across as a black and white view of people when it comes to Rafito, and it tends to make you jump to judgements on the rest of us, even die-hard rafans, instantaneously and apparently with no self awareness of this. THAT is probably the main thing that motivates hawkeye in his games with you. Yes his games are not all nice… but perhaps it is time the two of you took an honest look at things around here.
It is easy to write words. It is easy to write the word ‘projection’. But when I read a comment like yours that says that nny must have a lot of hatred, believe me, gussie, you are way off the mark here. Then what remains is projection.
Chloro@September 11, 2014 at 5:42 pm
—You and and nadline share what comes across as a black and white view of people when it comes to Rafito, and it tends to make you jump to judgements on the rest of us—
Why do you EXTEND something (whatever) to “the rest of us” ??? Could you say concretely.
seriously, augusta, that was not clear? ok: to nny, to myself, hawkeye and any number of other people writing here when they happen to write something that does not fit into your what appears to be black and white views of rafito, anything touching him, and what appears to be very black and white views of posters here on TT. Anyone at all, anyone who does not write in equally black and white views seems to be then viewed as a hater, or having blinkers on, and potentially treated with strong language.
no, neither or you are nearly as extreme as the trolls were on TT. And your motivation is, I believe, those deep feelings for one rafito boy from the island. But when several regular readers and posters the likes of nny, hawkeye and me (as well as subtle hints from one ricky) are trying to tell you the same thing, people who are level-headed, have been around a long time, including tennis, then perhaps take a few long breaths, and with a calm and humble mind ask yourself whether perhaps you have been overreacting for several months now and can no longer see what’s starting you in the face.
#humb1e
Chloro@September 11, 2014 at 5:42 pm
—THAT is probably the main thing that motivates hawkeye in his games with you. Yes his games are not all nice..—
I repeat: hawkeye motivates ME to post! 😀
I don’t care what he writes about ME! Rafa is all that matters here!
Chloro@September 11, 2014 at 6:29 pm
—Anyone at all, anyone who does not write in equally black and white views seems to be then viewed as a hater, or having blinkers on, and potentially treated with strong language—
I don’t know anything about these ANYONE! I ask again: could you say concretely.
Well said chloro. You are more direct than myself.
gussie, if you want to reply to me, please reply to what we are writing about… not this side topic of how he motivates you to post. You wrote that nny must have a lot of hatred for nadline, remember? THAT is what I posted follow up comments.
At any rate, you know my views now. If you just want to leave this as is, that’s up to you.
#NoFurryLikeATrueRafan
Chloro@September 11, 2014 at 6:41 pm
— You wrote that nny must have a lot of hatred for nadline, remember? THAT is what I posted follow up comments.—
But WHY do you post long comments about WHATEVER?!
As for my comment to NNY, it WASN’T about Rafa!!! I was wondering why NNY reacted ironically (? or is there any other word to describe it? ) to nadline10’s comment!
augusta,
I did not write long posts to start. And my short and long posts are not about WHATEVER. And you did not write about possible irony. You used to words ‘lot of hatred’. Which are pretty heavy words.
And you know all that I wrote in the previous paragraphs, clearly. I find your last few posts very disingenious, which is what people usually call it but let me call it more explicitly: dishonest. If you want to continue to be seen as attacking easily fellow rafans here, or non-rafans, and then not owning up to it while writing dishonest glib posts, so be it. Your choice.
I truly enjoyed all your informative posts about rafa all these years, and will continue to enjoy them. I didn’t mind your very strong feelings about Rafa at all. However, the way you jump to conclusions about various people here and what you sometimes write about them is not gracious. In fact it is about as opposite an attitude as you would find Rafa choosing in easy time (here at tenngrand) or in hard time (e.g. after a hearbreaking defeat at a final, e.g due to injury).
#peace
#ReasoningWithTheUnreasonable
#WhatWouldRafaDo
Chloro, in order to be an effective adjudicator, you would have had to follow every move of this debate which started at the FO.
adjudicator
alligator
(nadline’s right. That is when they started this nonsense.)
However, unlike @ImBetterThanEveryoneElse, I appreciate @chloro’s input, as he is an awesome tennis fan.
to Chloro
The beginning of the debate is here:
https://tenngrand.com/2014/06/05/french-open-day-13-sf-picks-nadal-vs-murray-djokovic-vs-gulbis/comment-page-2/#comment-77674
I replied to
Hawkeye63 says:
June 6, 2014 at 2:47 pm
(I defended RAFA from Mr. Harman and Hawkeye63)
No, you defended the French crowd who cheer Rafa’s opponents because he had stopped their adopted and beloved Federer from winning the French Open year after year.
This has lessened somewhat since Federer won in 2009 but is still present to this day.
They are undeserving of such a fine champion as Rafa.
The French Open should be played in Spain, the only place in the world besides Serbia where Fed is not favoured over every other player.
The French Open crowd should never be defended.
hawkeye63@September 10, 2014 at 7:30 pm
What? You posted Mr. Harman’s tweet and I replied:
augusta08 says:
June 6, 2014 at 2:56 pm
Hawkeye63 (at 2:47 pm)
Don’t hurry to spread announcements of the Federazzi and those who speak with a British accent. (And I posted a photo).
https://tenngrand.com/2014/06/05/french-open-day-13-sf-picks-nadal-vs-murray-djokovic-vs-gulbis/comment-page-2/#comment-77681
I remember those posts from back when they were posted, now that I read them again. Wasn’t that the day where there we suspected many tennis fans arrived later to RG due to traffic? At any rate, yes it started then. With a debate re how the RG crowd treats Rafa. But that has always been a mixture, some of the crowd well the rest not. We all agree that it has gotten much better recently compared to early years – and the badness of enough of the RG crowd of early years was not all an invention, we witnessed it even on TV. We also wrote about it about every spring at TT.
In the meantime it’s 4 months later. And the arguing about how many people do or do not attend rafa’s matches and practice sessions rages on… due to the mean hawkeye 🙂
#alligator
#adjudicator
Chloro@September 10, 2014 at 7:21 pm
Don’t you like pictures from Rafa’s practice sessions?
I posted a lot of pictures after hawkeye63 posted Mr.Rothenberg’s tweet:
https://twitter.com/BenRothenberg/status/506879488165412864
Chloro@September 10, 2014 at 7:21 pm
— it’s 4 months later. And the arguing about how many people do or do not attend rafa’s matches and practice sessions rages on—
I repeat that hawkeye63 gives me PERMANENTLY (new!) reasons to post something about Rafa! For example, the reason to post pictures from his practice session.
gussie, you do not need anyone to give you reasons to post about rafa… those posts are always welcome, as they always were before… we have embraced you long ago as our resident top internet researcher (and yes, some others here are not too shabby that way), and resident top rafa news poster
like I said, if you three enjou this, if it is really just about having fun and nothing else, especially while we are waiting another long rafa-wait, then by all means wash rinse and repeat
in the meantime, kind wishes, best regards,
whilst I remain your humb1e
#adjuligator
My comment I posted on Wednesday hasn’t appeared. I repeat it (but I post a PICTURE of the tweet instead of the original tweet).
September 10, 2014
Chloro@September 10, 2014 at 7:21 pm
…
I posted a lot of pictures from Rafa’s practice sessions after hawkeye63 posted Mr.Rothenberg’s tweet:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BxQAu_6IMAAsEeI.png
in other words, I have been reading these threads on TT all along, with some exceptions, like while on vacation, and some weeks I have skimmed some threads rather than read right through. But hard to miss most of this whirlwind of a debate. My poor head and heart pulled this way and that. They like rafa (it’s true!). They don’t like rafa (so says, it is claimed, the mean conspiroman!). I’m objective! No I’m not!
OK, so now I might come across as … fill in the blank. But do you not see the picture of what is going on here?
#hashtag
hawkeye maintains that Federer has packed out practice sessions and when augusta posts evidence of Rafa’s packed out practice sessions he simply won’t accept it, showing a clear bias as a true federazzi.
you are right on this, nadline: when augusta presents a photo with full stands hawkeye looks at the photo and cannot see the people in the bleachers, sometimes the opposite happens with pictures of The One’s practice. Practice.
hawkeye, may I advise you go for another eye exam? new prescription needed for your specs.
#itsthetrueno
@Chloro,
I can only say a heartfelt thank you for your post @ 5:52 pm. I am really at a loss as to how one would respond to what augusta wrote about me having so much hate in my heart for nadline. She knows who started it on Tennis Talk. She knows who called me out publicly there for not being a true Rafa fan because I defended Novak about his ankle injury. She didn’t let up, either. Even teaming up at one point with the likes of the dreadful scoretracker to make fun of me and insult me. So that was the start of it. But even I would never go so far as to accuse nadline or anyone here of hatred. That is a very strong word and should not be used carelessly.
I am grateful that you know me for who I am. At one point it got so bad that I thought of leaving, but realized that this was all the more reason for me to stay. It’s important to stay true to yourself at all times. I love Rafa will all my heart and soul. So much so that my family has taken me to task and felt that I was too emotionally invested for my own good. The people who really know me, those who have actually spoken to me and looked me in the eye, who know what I am about and what I believe, those are the ones whose opinions ultimately matter the most.
It’s gone too far. That’s all I can say. But your words provide comfort and make me realize that some here do understand me. You said it all better than I ever good. But from a beleaguered member of this forum, who has struggled with staying here, all I can say is it’s much appreciated.
thank you for your kind words, nny, and for yours, hawkeye (the other day)
nny, you’re welcome, and I am sure there are several here (and there were more on TT when there were simply more of us regular posters) who have a pretty clear idea of you as a person (up to the point you have written your views and we can know someone through this narrow and _almost_ anonymous mode of communication). Actually after we read each other’s many posts there is a lot that transpires about us.
it’s important for anyone posting anywhere that all the eyes that will read what you wrote (and there are many pairs of eyes) are all human beings, incredible human beings and all deserve courtesy and decent treatment. that ties again back to what many of us appreciate about rafa, beyond his passion and achievements: his basic decency, and his not (as far as any of us can tell) deifying what so many deify: success + fame + fortune. He may be using the social media and games as much as the next person, but he is about as little narcissistic as many today are narcissistic.
should i make a “can’t we all just get along” thread?
“Non-tennis forum” doesn’t seem to be getting the job done….
nativenewyorker7@September 11, 2014 at 11:52 pm
—augusta wrote about me having so much hate in my heart for nadline. She knows who started it on Tennis Talk. She knows who called me out publicly there for not being a true Rafa fan because I defended Novak about his ankle injury.—
No, I don’t remember PERSONAL battles of other people!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7l7fn0Vkz8
^^^That was the most embarrassing, puke-making and inappropriate celebration scene imaginable. All the worse for being premeditated and rehearsed.
For good measure Federer later went on to rubbish Stan by claiming he’d had to ‘carry’ him in their matches – implying he’d won the doubles medal single-handed in spite of him.
#NPD
the Olympic one?
Yes sir. The 2008 Olympic one.
Since he won it single-handedly they should award him the 2008 tennis _single_ gold medal. I hear it can be found in someone’s collection on some island.
The Davis Cup incident was more a question of something lost in translation. What he said was Stan had not played badly (pas mal) which. while damning with faint praise. was not the same as saying he played badly which was how it got reported at the time.
@augusta,
You don’t remember simply because it’s convenient. You know exactly what I am talking about.
I see that you are not of a mind to apologize for what you said about my hatred for nadline.
We can’t all get along if some refuse to take back a personally offensive statement.
nativenewyorker7@September 12, 2014 at 4:44 am
– I have tried to focus on tennis, not on posters’ personal battles. I have skipped long-long posts or read their content diagonally.
– I have learned that ‘must’ is used to express probability.
augusta08 defends the disrespectful behaviour of the French Open crowd and admits he has no creativity and is owned by Me when he used the trademarked Federazzi(TM) without the express written consent of Comspirator Corp.
#YoureWelcomeMyFan
#HereToHelp
Hawkeye, you are not immune to imitating me by infringing my copyright to ‘not letting the facts get in the way of a good story’, and ‘not seeing the wood for the trees’. So far, ‘running with the deer and hunting with the hounds’ is safe.
If you inspect the posted picture a bit more closely you can see many empty seats. Too many for a Nadal Muzza SF.
#AvertYourEyes