Novak Djokovic will be looking for back-to-back Masters 1000 titles when he goes up against Andy Murray in a second straight final on Sunday in Rome. Djokovic needed a third-set tiebreaker to get past Kei Nishikori in the semis.
Novak Djokovic and Andy Murray will be squaring off for the 33rd time in their careers and for the second time in as many weeks when they battle for the Internazionali BNL d’Italia title on Sunday.
Djokovic is leading the head-to-head series 23-9, including an even more dominant 12-1 in their last 13 encounters. The top-ranked Serb won eight in a row at Murray’s expense, lost to the Scot in last summer’s Montreal final, and has now picked up four more victories in succession. The familiar foes most recently faced each other in the Madrid title match last Sunday, when Djokovic triumphed 6-2, 3-6, 6-3.
If nothing else, Murray does own the advantage of having enjoyed an earlier and much simpler semifinal contest. Going up against Lucas Pouille in the afternoon, the second seed crushed the lucky loser 6-2, 6-1 in 59 minutes. He preceded that victory by taking out Mikhail Kukushkin, Jeremy Chardy, and David Goffin all in straight sets. Murray is a decent 21-5 for the season, but he is still in search of his first title.
Djokovic has wobbled from just about start to finish this week, but he has somehow found a way to maintain momentum after lifting the Madrid Trophy. Rome’s No. 1 seed held off qualifier Stephane Robert 7-5, 7-5, got bageled by Thomaz Bellucci before prevailing 0-6, 6-2, 6-3, battled past Rafael Nadal 7-5, 7-6(4), and recovered from another set deficit to outlast Kei Nishikori 2-6, 6-4, 7-6(5) on Saturday. Djokovic is 37-2 for his 2016 campaign with five titles (three of the Masters 1000 variety in addition to the Australian Open).
The four-time Rome champion needed needed three hours and one minute to survive against Nishikori, but bouncing back from grueling efforts has never been a problem for him–at least not since his reign at the top of the game began. Conditions in Rome should suit Djokovic better in a match with Murray than those in Madrid, as the underdog will struggle to hit through him on a slower court. In all likelihood, the impenetrable fortress that is Djokovic’s defense will once again be too tough for Murray.
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Rafa.
IF Murray can not beat a tired and exhausted Djokovic-he will never ever beat him again.
I think Djokovic is more dangerous when he comes after a tough game like he had against Nishikori (or Nadal..).
That wakes him up in a way. And I really doubt he will be tired. He played 31 games and 3hs, but that’s the normal duration of a difficult win in straight sets in a GS.. 63 64 75.
Nole looks gassed but he may pull this one out.
I think Novak will win, but I also believe Murray will take a set. Novak looks really stressed out. Maybe the FO is getting to him?
I think Novak in 3.Yesterday I thought he would lose but he came back to life again…as usuall….the same senario. Nishi was not playing good…if he was 100% he had very good chances to beat that robot
Amazing mental strength of Nole in this Nishi match! Worth admiration! I also admire Nishi’s refusal to surrender! Great match!
Murray has a shot but he will most certainly find the way to lose! Novak is mentally stronger than Andy and will have all the right answers..,
I think Murray has an opportunity here. I am not sure if having such an easy draw is a good thing or not. I think Novak seems to thrive on tough matches. He raises his level of play. Then when he wins a tough match, that seems to give him even more confidence and belief.
Nishi played some brilliant tennis and did not give up in that match. He took it to Novak and didn’t quit. But Novak seems to find a way to win.
Andy has been playing very well but has not been tested. Suffice to say that playing Novak again in a final will be a test! But I can’t pick Andy to win yet. I still think that Novak will find a way to get this win. The only thing I am not sure about is if it will be 2 or 3 sets.
Novak just been through 2 grueling back to back matches.
Murray got to win here (or be involved in 3 very close sets) to build up confidence and be taken as a serious contender for RG.
Agree with Laak.
Andy will give it his best shot.
Murray’s winning odds are as high as never before. Shall he fail now – he will never beat Novak. Read our match preview here:
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No. You are wrong Murray,s odds was a much higher in Madrid, last week.
IMO, Nishi is just not in the top tier, at least not yet. How often when he had his top class opponent(s) on the rope but failed to deliver the killer blow! Against Rafa at Barcelona, he went for too much and overhit, he seemed to falter where it mattered and so against the top players, he rarely reached the finishing line before them.
Murray was like that too pre Lendl, reached the later rounds of slams but couldnt deliver when facing Rafa/Fed/Djoko. They (Kei and pre Lendl Murray)just need that bit of self belief to cross that barrier before beating the top guys to win big titles.
Murray should be the one having the upperhand here as he’s well rested; he played well too this tournament, the way he handled Goffin was impressive, able to conquer the tough swirling conditions in that match.
Of course it also depends on which Murray snd which Djoko come out to play; slight edge to Murray imo.
Agree but we all know that the tough matches makes a player like Nole tick. He just gets better and is so strong mentally and always manages to find a way to win.
Has proven many times in the past that he comes through matches like this with the odd blip.
Nole in 3
Novak said he played better yesterday than he did against Rafa.
I hope Murray can come out and play red-hot tennis. His first serve has been a real weapon since Madrid he would need it badly today.
I am banking on Novak being slightly jaded.
Novak also said that he had been in the situations like this before and managed to win, and that he would do his best although not having sufficient time to recover….
Remember Rome 2011? After a brutal semifinal with Andy he still won the final in straights. Nole for the win here.
He is more than capable of doing it here .. physically he should be fine. I feel he is emotionally drained a bit. Let’s see.. But yeah he will most likely be fit and ready to rumble.
Agreed.
juan jose vallejo says that annacone rates kei’s backhand over murray’s and he agrees! a bit surprising no?
that probably means Murray’s is better
so you don’t rate annacone’s and/or vallejo’s opinion ricky?!! (or is this one of your jokes?) i really like vallejo’s twitter feed – it’s very witty and full of gems. lots of witty tennis writers including you….
i remember ferrer saying he thought murray had the best backhand on the tour..
Muzz has a better backhand…but Kei’s is very close. Muzz surely better if you include the slice… talking about the backhand drive only, they have a lot of similarities. Both have a very flat backhand drive and prefer it cross court but Kei changes the direction a bit more frequently. In terms of firepower, surely it has to be Muzz. Kei is equally adept at taking balls on the rise on his backhand though.
In terms of defending, again, quite similar. Both defend with a closed stance backhand unlike Rafa and Novak who hit open stance backhands when on the run/full stretch.
Overall, one adv kei has is that his ‘average backhand’ is a bit more aggressive and Muzz has the tendency to float mid court balls.But, Murray’s is a bit more consistent and when he is intent on taking a ball on the rise, he keeps moving forward into the short (not just standing in ground) and is able to drill it in either direction. This is something not even Novak does as well. Literally takes jogging steps into his shots when in full flight.
Muzz has the most penetrative backhand drive among the top players. Rafa can hit with even more penetration but he generally likes to hit with more spin.
Soderling used to have a humongous CC backhand
gr8 analysis as always vr! i love to hear your technical analyses….
seem to remember your saying that in relation to nole murray’s backhand was more aggressive but that nole’s capacity to defend with the backhand was unrivalled by anyone! or do i misremember???
thanks amy and yes, you remember it right. Novak’s taken defending from the backhand to a whole new level. I like to call it ‘aggressive defending’. He is always looking to turn defense into offense. Rafa is second best but the adv he has over nole is having a better backhand slice when defending. A peak rafa has the best ‘balance’ of defense on a clay court…knows exactly which shot to hit
#HerbertWillWin
Novak has surprised me this week, a few times in the first sets against Nadal and Nishikori, he looked like he might not invest in the mental effort needed to win, similar to the round robin at the WTF against Roger last year. He does want this title, question is freshness. I think it will be close but expect Murray to win and make the French more interesting, at least from what the media will tell us.
It’s really, really hard to have expectations from Muzz!
Funny comment from the Serbian commentator last night when Novak won one of the decisive points against Nishi after a long rally…Novak celebrated with feast pump and the commentator said: this was copy paste Rafael Nadal 🙂
Yeah, Novak seems to have mental strength, determination and never give up attitude Rafa used to have…
Corr. fist not feast 😉
Djokovic will be feeling the effects after tough matches against Nadal and Nishikori which will take its toll when the pressure mounts in the 3rd set.
Murray will be well aware of Djokovic’s possible fatigue and will be ready for a long grind.
Murray is too good to lose easily to a player that’s had 2 very tough previous matches, even of Djokovic’s standard. If Djokovic does manage to snatch it it will be in 3.
GL to all.
Muzz’s got the most aggressive second serve return…easily…when he is on, likes to hit like Agassi.
2 BPs saved by Novak.
that was STUPID from Murray!! how can he miss that backhand !! it was a break point!
Amy, there was an example of that backhand Murray hit on deuce! moved towards the ball and drilled it CC! Beauty
Keeps out-hitting Djokovic and makes an error on the finishing shot. WTH!
Murray’s forehand is on today. This Murray will be very tough for Novak
Great tennis right from the start. Andy being super aggressive. frightening
Vamosrafa – excellent description/explanation of backhands. ty.
cheers Ratcliff. Good luck to your man
Thanks! It’s just a tennis match – hoping for a good one yikes?
I did pick Andy in 3.
It looks like Murray has come to play today.
this could be 6-1 or 6-2 to Murray if Novak is unable to raise his level considerably.
Murray absolutely bossing the rallies… Novak not doing enough with his backhands
Murray missed a great opportunity with that missed backhand. But he has come out very aggressive here.
More break chances for Murray. Maybe Novak is gassed.
combination of both.’ Novak’s come out a bit flat (as I expected) and Murray is killing the ball off both wings and serving too well.
Wow! Double break for Murray. Novak gets a code violation.
His racket bounced into the stands and could have hurt a spectator.
Single break
Mark,
Thanks for the correction. I started watching a but late and thought that Murray already broke.
I doubt Murray can sustain this level similar to when fed initially looks good against Rafa. Hard to sustain when the other player has the tactical advantage.
Seen it many times before.
he is hitting his forehand ‘heavy’ today..I doubt he is going to stop doing that. Novak will have to find answers… I think Andy’s level is not going to drop much. His serve has been great all week.
Brilliant backhand winner from Murray and holds. Novak starting to play better.
It’s almost like Novak needs to have a meltdown and then he plays better.
Oh yea?
GSM Mooray!
The capabilities of the Andy Murrray backhand! Too good
So VR..in RG where do you want Rafa drawn? Novaks half or Andys half given that Andy is playing very well too.
Easy. Andy’s.
I agree. There is no question that Rafa will be better off in andy’s half of the draw.
Of course Andy’s… let’s discuss the RG prospects after this match. RG will be very interesting.
Oh snap VR!
RT @CarlBialik: Of 11 sets Djokovic has played in Rome, this is the 6th in which he has trailed by a break. He came back to win 3 of the first 5.
Another Agassi-like forehand return winner.
#TheMostAgressiveReturner
Nole will break with Murray serving for the set.
Wow. Proud of Andy and I’ll probably regret it. DAvis Cup Andy.
RT @VladasLasitskas: Djokovic to chair umpire: you showed the world you are the boss, man.
What does he expect???? He bounced his racquet onto the crowd FFS.
He’s losing it a little bit, hawk, the past couple days. But there’s some supporters I know who will turn it around and blame something or someone else.
rc,
I am beginning to wonder about Novak with the meltdowns in these last two matches. It’s almost like he is releasing some pressure and then plays better.
Nny,
Really think he was okay until he whacked himself in the first game of the first set yesterday. It was too much to believe. He wasn’t flat or tanking as some say, he was naturally distracted by what he had done – it hurt! I watched the match over again last night twice. He wants this win but that mistake almost cost him the Kei match. He was out of sorts but still playing brilliant tennis- especially by the 3rd set. Not making an excuse – it’s just what happened. Andy is fresh and playing aggressively – Davis Cup Andy!
Nole has a bulging bandage on that ankle. I imagine it’s bruised and sore right on the ankle bone, just above his shoe. Beware of wounded bear, lol…
rc,
Thanks for pointing that out. I did not see the first set of that match. But the commentators talked about how Novak whacked his ankle.
You know your guy well. I think that it must have hurt and that would be distracting.
Maybe he’ll pull out of RG.
The tennis channel commies pointed out that if Novak’s racket hit a spectator then he would have defaulted the match.
Murray looks very focused and did a good job to serve it out.
Great hold my muzza.
Nole in three it is then.
#HerbertWillWin
Murray seems extremely quick out there…good ROS…and really great serving… Murray wins the first set!
Let’s see Novak’s response now…I expect him to raise his level!
Murray comfortably wins the set serving at 48%!! Still wins 69% of second serve points. When he gets the first serve in, he wins almost every point.
I was surprised when the posted the first serve stats and saw that Murray was below 50%.
Novak with 4 winners and 4 UE’s.
Murray with 11 winners and 2 UE’s.
the game is not broadcasted in my tv…. 🙁
Murray’s first serve percentage has gone way up in set 2 – 70%.
Wow! Murray has the break!
Wow. Andy.
The most aggressive returner in the game strikes again. 3-2 Murray. Firmly on his racket this match. 3 games away from a masters 1000 on CLAY
He already has Madrid. But Rome would be HUGE. Goating the clay. 😀 ?
who can give me high quality stream ?
http://www.stream2watch.co/live-now/sport/tennis/atp-rome-final-2016-live-stream-may-15
Not high quality but watchabe
Murray has been so focused in this match. This is the best he’s played against Novak in some time.
I like seeing the # 2 player stepping up.
Even the physical tiredness is kicking in now…Novak losing the explosiveness in his movement.
Novak will go for more on his shots now…
He is fighting with the umpire.
That part is tough for me to watch.
Great hold to cosolidate.
Will be really interesting to see if Murray can withstand the pressure next 2 service games.
The Serbian commentator commenting Novak’s fight with umpire saying: it’s Murray who is bothering Novak today, not the rain!
Do you speak Serbian, Natashao? Indeed, Murray is bothering him!
@ ratclif,
Yes I speak Serbian! I come from ex Serbia & Montenegro… 🙂
Novak is so good with languages! He will most likely become Serbian ambassador when he retires… 😉
I’ll be a believer in Murray on clay if he wins this match.
And I thought it was all downhill once a player turns 29 lol.
Andy Murray has a Rome title!! Whoa…
Are you kidding me? What a shot to win the match!
bravo Andy… new winner since 2006 🙂 🙂
Bravo Andy, well done!
Wow Rafa..Novak..Andy all have won titles pre RG. This RG can be most interesting ever 🙂
I really am not sure if Rafa should be on Andys side or Novaks
you’re not serious sanju? nole is way more of a threat to rafa. he’s beaten him countless times in a row whereas rafa has won 2 of the last 3 against andy.
Amy.
Yes you are absolutely right!
rafa’s game stacks up way better against andy than against nole. that’s why andy has only beaten him on a handful of occasions…
I am serious. Andy will not choke but Novak can choke given the pressure. Andy will really make life also very tough for Rafa given how tough he plays him most time and going by the recent MC semi
andy has choked against rafa plenty of times sanju. do you not remember how rafa murdered him with his forehand in rg 2014?? he could never overpower nole like that. nole has more weapons against him..
Yes I rem RG 2014 but then Rafa is not what he was in 2013 & first half 2014 now.
he is improving though…who knows what he can do on his favourite court which brings out the best in him…
i am choosing to believe he will get it together there…
I am hoping he gets it all together there on the huge Chartier court 🙂
he loves the huge chartrier court sanju! it makes a big difference to his game…
I said I would forgive him for putting Rafa out if he won. And to cap it all he did it in straight sets. 🙂
SO impressed with Murray getting the win even though Nole wasn’t at his very best.
Nole never an easy takedown particularly in a final.
Should make for a very interesting French Open!
Wow! What a shot to win the match! So proud of Andy! He hung in there and stayed confident, fighting for every point! Well deserved win! Worthy No 2!
However, not to take anything away from Andy, but both Rafa and Nishi contributed to this version of Novak showing up today….
Finally Andy gets it done! In straight sets!
Andy came out playing really well. Even Novak not at his best is never easy to take out.
What I like is that Novak’s rivals are stepping up now. First Rafa gave Novak a battle and then Nishi really fought and stayed tough and now Andy! God for men’s tennis!
Margot, Andy fans – Congratulations! oops… wrong blog. ???
rc,
Yes, Margot is on tennis-x! She used to post here. A great Andy fan and a great person!
Andy’s fans should be very happy.
hee, hee. Wasthat a Freudian slip?
Congrats to Andy Murray, managed to hold it together to win it in the end. Nice win!
Juan José Vallejo @jjvallejoa 4m4 minutes ago
We’ll only know in 3 weeks whether Djokovic’s idea to play Rome was the right one. All or nothing in Paris.
I was about to say this. Djokovic will be vulnerable in Paris now…he will have to be careful in the earlier rounds too.
TOld ya all, Andy’s winning this.
Saying this again: Andy is more than capable of defeating even a peak Novak on a surface that favors Andy more. Will have to give the edge on clay to Novak but it is a lot closer now. On grass, my edge goes to Andy.
People talk about Novak benefiting from Rafa’s and Roger’s absence at the top but never mention that Murray was also musing from the equation. He is back now! He will be very dangerous this season.
So VR..what are your RG picks? or waiting 4 draw?
That looks like Stan SmIth!
Italians love Italian 😀
Bravo Nole. Nice speech. gracious in defeat.
Nice win from Murray.Djokovic is obviously burned out from winning so much but he’ll be okay after he sleeps for a week.Murray is good at the net,wish he would keep playing that way.
he is not going to sleep for a week! That’s the problem! it will be a couple of days’ rest and then the tension and pressure regarding RG will kick in and he will start practicing and thinking again.
Andy ? Sweet! “Ciao Roma” hahahaha
So happy for him.
Great birthday present for Andy!
Oh yeah, I forgot. Nice Birthday for Andy!
Novaks’ top difficulties in Paris:
1. Rafael Nadal
2.Mental, Emotional Tiredness
3. Andy Murray
4. Dangerous players like Wawrinka.
Nishi too 🙂
and dangerous lurkers like Thiem, Kyrgios
Yeah the fourth point was meant to cover these names…exactly
vr as per my conversation with sanju. please tell him that andy is much less of a threat than nole!!!
i mean for rafa…
I don’t see Stan as a threat unless he finds his game. He hasn’t looked good at all in the tournaments leading up to RG.
It’s always good to have some momentum going into a slam, even though warmup tournaments are not always a predictor of who will win a slam.
Murray just put himself into the conversation and as the #2 seed, he won’t face Novak until the final. I don’t know that Novak will go into RG as such a huge favorite now. With his rivals stepping up, things are going to be interesting. Novak needs some rest and then we will see how he looks at RG.
NNY, Stan will be a big threat if he meets Novak because the only way he can Novak is to reach the semi and that is only achievable if he playing well.
Stan is playing another clay court tournament so may be he can find some form.
vr,
You have a point. However, I am not convinced that Stan will get to the semis. He’s going to need to play a lot better. I assume that defending 2000 points will be motivation!
It will be interesting to see if the top four seeds hold. There are some dark horses lurking in the draw.
i don’t see stan doing what he did last year. that was a wild one off.
doing it as the defending champion is a whole different ball game.
agree with both of you. I was not talking about Stan’s chances of winning RG, I was talking about threats to Nvovak. Stan is a real threat should he meet Novak because the only way he can meet Novak is in the semi or the final which would obviously mean Stan is playing very well. Of course he is not a top contender to win RG.
@NNY, Annacone picked Rafa?! That’s good to hear!
I just hope that his rivals stepping up motivates Nole even more.
@amy, yes of course Novak is a bigger threat!!! Not even a debate
No way rafael nadal at no 1
of course he is. You think Murray is a bigger threat???! Rafa has a very good chance of out-hitting everyone on Chatrier. He needs a good first week to build more belief.
I believe that Paul Annacone picked Rafa as his favorite to win RG. They were discussing it after the trophy ceremony.
Don’t count out the player who has won RG nine times
^ this!
I meant – this – to vr’s comment @ 5:28 pm.
NNY: It was Stan Smith – he’s aging well, no?
Ed,
So I was right? I wasn’t quite sure at first. Yes, he looks good!
I guess you and I are the only ones ho would even recognize him! 🙂
Murray is a threat if he can play like that in Paris.
After really smart scheduling last year, looks like Nole made things too complicated for himself this year.
Playing Rome may have done more harm than good. He could have easily skipped Madrid or Rome.
Anyways, congrats to Andy for getting it done on his b’day! Arguably the 2nd favorite after Nole to win RG now.
I just hope Nole can get good 4 to 5 days of rest. That would be more than enough to get himself motoring again.
Novak could have skipped Madrid since he didn’t even play there last year.
For the first time I do believe that Novak is somewhat gassed. I know that he whacked his ankle and hurt it, but he doesn’t usually lose his cool the way he did in his match with nishi and with Murray. I also think that his quarterfinal match with Rafa took a lot out of him. That was more like playing the Rafa of old. The thing is, it cuts both ways when Novak and Rafa have to play each other earlier in a tournament.
But I still do not want Rafa to play Novak in the quarterfinals at RG!
I am just glad to see real competition in the men’s game again.
Amen to your last line, NNY! I do feel that Rafa, KNish and Moo Ray tag teamed Nole. And yes, RG just got a LOT more interesting.
Who knows re Stan? He tends to show up big at the slams even when he hasn’t been winning.
didn’t know this: all of nole, rafa, fed have now reached 42 masters finals…
hahaha another gem from juan jose:
to say that djokovic is on edge would be an understatement. he’s tip-toeing on the line between sanity and disaster.
why don’t you write like this in your rolling stone pieces jj??
Rome has been a nadal djokovic bastion. I think first time since 2004 we have a different winner in rome?. Congrats to andy. Its kind of neat that the three top contenders for the french have each won one masters prior to the grandslam. French open definitely got much more interesting. Have to bet on rafa if he does not have to face djoko
As I recently said Novak’s desire to win it all can get right back at him. Most of my friends Nole’s fans shared my view and were worried about him overplaying and getting mentally over cooked…his nervous reactions and at times inexplicable fights with umpire over stupid things speak for itself…he is under tremendous pressure…
The good thing is he has capable team around him to help him get back to his normal self…he will be fine for RG I am sure…
Nats: You don’t sound entirely convinced.,,,,,,,,,,,lol
I was watching his box, and his parents** closely yesterday and from their expressions and body language I would say they are very aware of the problem they have on their hands. IMO Djokovic has been on the brink of burnout for months and yesterday he finally unravelled.
** someone on another site reckoned the presence of his parents in Rome was one of the reasons he was so unsettled.
I’m wondering, too, why his wife wasn’t in his box cheering him on for the final.
Djoker’s wife has hardly attended any live matches since they had the baby.
I would prefer that Nadal is in Djokovic’s Quarter. If Nadal is playing well, no one can stop him, not even Djokovic. If he is not playing well, better to lose in the Quarters and give opportunities to others to stop Djokovic whose dominance has become boring.
interesting take. But not one I agree with.
Nadal will be in Djokovic’s quarter.
Hawkeye,
Please don’t say that! I am hoping that it’s anyone but Novak.
Maybe Dijana and Jelena can’t get along and Jelena was sulking at home? Explains Djokovic’s bad mood and racket hurling etc
Dijana, Novak’s mother is a very nice lady. It’s Novak’s father who is problematic, and who does not get along with people around Novak. It has net been easy for Dijana to live with him. i only hope that Novak has not inherited father’s trmper. I know this from their closest friends, but don’t think the presence of his parents distracted Novak. He just played too much and for too long and did not manage his schedule wisely.
Natashao (AT 9:11 AM),
—He just played too much and for too long and did not manage his schedule wisely.—
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He scheduled to skip Madrid “wisely” in 2014&2015. He was too afraid to revisit Madrid after he was rude towards the Madrid crowd in 2013. LOL
Redeucer, May 12, 2013: ¤¤ Djokovic to Madrid: ‘You Will Now Lick My D**k’!
Novak Djokovic recently shouted a vulgarity at the crowd during his second round match against Grigor Dimitrov at the Madrid Open.
With a pro-Dimitrov crowd consistently chanting Dimitrov’s name throughout the match, the sensitive Serbian finally succombed to the pressure.
World No. 28 Dimitrov eventually overpowered Djokovic, 7-6 (8-6) 6-7 (8-10) 6-3. And at a change over in the match after Djokovic won the second set tiebreaker, he exclaimed in his native Serbian:
“Sad ce te kurac da mi lizete,” which literally translates to, “You will now lick my dick.”¤¤
Since when has superman played too much? He reached the final of virtually everything he entered last year and won most of them.
yeah, but he can’t do it forever…his level had to drop at some point…it was just matter of time…
Ricky which part of my post do you not agree with? That in form Nadal can beat Djokovic or that Djokovic’s dominance is boring or that Nadal being in Djokovic’s Quarter maximizes chances of stopping Djokovic or something else?
lol this is an interesting take…yeah…..Rafa can definitely beat Novak in Qtrs as long as the spaniard is playing his best tennis. Even he if loses, he would have softened Novak- leaving him vulnerable against the next two opponents.
Just don’t wanna think about Rafa losing in the Qtrs. I have high really high hopes. And, this is not the fan boy in me speaking…
Nadal-Djokovic quarter
i also disagree about Nadal’s best beating Djokovic’s best. It’s pretty obvious Djokovic on a good day will handle anyone. Someone will have to play amazing AND get an off day from Djokovic in order to win.
Mais non. Au contraire mon ami.
Not obvious at all.
It’s pretty obvious Rafa on a good day will handle anyone. Someone will have to play amazing AND get an off day from Rafa in order to win.
This has happened exactly twice.
Nole has played amazing at Chartrier several times and still lost.
#HerbertWillWin
Djokovic has been having way too many ‘OFF’ days in recent weeks. The added pressure to win his first RG, complete the calendar Slam and collect a raft of records to boot will take its toll. He will need all the stars to align if he is to pull off the prize he wants so desperately.
Many a slip twixt cup and lip.
i shall never forget watching Rafa sobbing in his chair after picking up a groin injury when he was poised to become only the 2nd man in the open era to hold all four slams simultaneously. He was totally hobbled and U.Toni was urging him to retire but he refused to do so and managed to complete the match but lost to Ferrer in three sets.
The AO has been the scene of so many epic battles which have ended in painful losses for Rafa (in both senses of the word) precipitated by his body letting him down.
BTW, it must be said that tempie is the best!!!
My view might be biased as a Djokovic fan, but I see the outcome as positive for Novak. Twice he has gone into the French nearly unbeatable and twice he was dispatched in the tournament itself (2011 and 2015). After the losses, however, he bounced back to dominate the rest of the respective seasons.
If Novak had lost to Rafa, however, the story would be very different. At Chartrier, Nadal still has the perfect template to win any match against most people when his forehand is working at even 80%. The fact that Novak started off scratchily and was able to muster enough to win should give him belief that he can do the same in any match at RG. Secondly, losing in the final is bound to motivate him more, and with Boris in the corner for the next week, I’m sure they will figure something out.
As for Andy, he has a very realistic chance of winning the French, but that is if he doesn’t have to play Rafa on the way IMO. Its a 50-50 with Novak, their matches on clay have been too close for comfort when Novak won, and he was dominant yesterday. I still expect Novak to finally overcome this hurdle, and go on to have another career defining year.
good post…. I would still give an edge to Novak in a slam until Andy proves otherwise. Agree with the other points..
vr,
I agree about Novak having an edge over Murray in slams at this time.
Well-said, Mikkers. This Nole fan agrees. Especially — it was important to beat Rafa in Rome QF’s. On the other hand, when I imagine how irritated that would have made him, I wonder if that would have motivated him even more?! Losing to Andy – should suffice for motivation, tho. Fingers crossed for him to get the right rest and preparation this week.
meant to say: when I imagine how irritated losing to Rafa in the Rome QF would have made him…
And I shudder to think how the loss in Rome is motivating Rafa!
You can bet that if they met in the French open this year it would be a fantastic match. I remember the 2013 match well, which in my opinion is the best match ever between the two for sheer drama and the peaks in shotmaking.
Nole beat Rafa on Masters clay in 2011, 2013 and 2014 and Rafa won RG.
I think Rafa is not so much motivated by losing in Rome, but by how well he played to the point that the match was actually on his racquet until he got tight at key moments for the first time in almost two years.
I think that sometimes the point gets lost regarding Novak beating Rafa in the clay tournaments leading up to RG, but not RG itself. Novak beat a Rafa who was slumping and nowhere near his best last year and even he knows that.
When Rafa was himself and playing the tennis that win him 9 titles, he beat Novak every time they met af RG.
Djoko has been freewheeling for the last 3 years or so, now that he is under pressure to keep winning he’ll be more vulnerable.
Rafa at his best is better than Djoker at his best.
agreed.
That depends primarily on surface. As for freewheeling, who was Nadal challenged by in 2010, again? And do you really believe Djokovic was anywhere close to his best in 2013?
Yes Nole was near his best (not at) in 2013 when he lost to Rafa on hard court slam and clay slam.
Rafa was near his best (not at) in 2011 when he lost to Nole on hard court slam and grass slam.
Neither player has beaten the other in a slam when the loser was AT their best to date. The closest to this was 2013 FO SF.
Hope this helps.
Actually, Rafa was not near his best in 2011, he said he was sick of the tour that it felt like he’d been playing for 100 years. He was suffering from burnout.
Djoker has been at his best since 2011 and Rafa was challenged by Fed, Murray and Djoker in 2010. Are you trying to rewrite history?
Except Fed, Nole and Murray were nowhere close to their best in 2010.
Djoker has a free pass in the 2nd half of 2012 with no Rafa also during the 2nd half of 2014 with an ailing and injured Rafa.
Djoker HAD a free pass in the 2nd half of 2012 with no Rafa also during the 2nd half of 2014 with an ailing and injured Rafa.
Let’s see when all is said and done.
Mikkers,
Yes I do think that Novak was near his best in 2013. When he broke Rafa as he served for the match in the fourth set and then won the TB to force a fifth set, he was playing some great tennis.
In the fifth set, Novak was up a break. Rafa was the one who stormed back playing some of his most brilliant tennis to break back and win the match.
Yes Djoko was close to his best in 2013. You forget he won four tournaments in a row from Beijing to WTF that year. He also won AO, Dubai and MC, reached the finals at Wimbledon and USO. How can he be not near his best?
Its just that Rafa was playing some of his best tennis that year so he beat Djoko twice at the slams (FO and USO). Murray was playing some good tennis on grass and so he beat Djoko at Wimbledon.
Djoko cant produce 2011 level tennis all the time; just like Rafa cant produce his 2008 to early 2009 level all the time. Fed couldnt repeat his 2006.
Though Djoko had a better 2015 than his 2011 results wise, his level of tennis might not necessarily be higher, as his main rivals werent playing any better in 2015 than in 2011.
Lucky gets it.
anyone going to the FO?
What. And sit with all those Fedfans that cheer for anyone not named Djokovic against Rafa???
hawkeye, You forgot to take your medication.
AT 5:07 PM,
You can lonely boo against Rafa somewhere far away from Rafa and give a new opportunity to some writers (aka Fedfans) to make up stories that “half the stadium” somewhere booed. You have been fascinated by these imaginary stories. LOL
tweedle dum and lonely tweedle dumber LOL
I disagree, I think Djokovic’s level in 2015 was significantly better than in 2011. He was just a lot more efficient.
As for Djokovic being close to his best in 2013, I see where you guys are coming from. But I just feel he had lost his ability to big points that whole year until somewhere in 2014, when Boris’s influence started to show.
Djoko’s 2015 level not necessarily higher than 2011 imo, he’s just more resilient, able to drag his opponents into grinding wars when he had to. In 2011 he was more efficient in that he finishef off his opponents quickly most of the times with 6-1 6-2, even 6-0 scorelines.
That is your opinion, which is to be respected. The way I see it though, Djokovic of 2011 used a lot more of his physical prowess to run through opponents, and therefore the scorelines were like the Federer of 2004-07. The Djokovic of 2015, however, served better, had better timing on his groundstrokes and simply chose his moments through tournaments, a la Sampras at his best. The result was evident in that he wasn’t injured/gassed by the end of the season and had a very strong finish. It was a far more complete season.
No doubt, but you have to take into consideration the slump of one of his major rivals, hence making life a bit easier for him. His game may be better in 2015 but he has to grind more. I would say he’s more efficient in finishing his matches in 2011 and he lost only 2 matches from AO to USO that year. Physically he might have declined after 4 years from 2011 but he made up for that with better skills.
The scorelines might have been similar but given the competition, 2011 was miles above any year from 2004-07.
A real Nole fan would understand that (whereas a jump-ship expat fedfan would not concede).
But I agree with you, 2015 Nole was the best year of all time (followed by 2011) IMO.
Only on clay!
Also US Open med/fast hard court.
Here is what Roger thinks:
Federer: “I am a big fan of him (Rafa) simply because he has been the biggest and complicated opponent I ever had. So I have maximum respect for him. I am the last person to think that he could not win anything anymore. I know how good he is.’
http://www.tennisworldusa.org/Roger…&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=socialnetwork
This is what Djoker had to say about his racquet throwing:
“I threw a racket, it bounced over the fence and I got a warning instantly. So the chair umpire was on fire today. He really wanted to show his authority to me. So congratulations to him.”
He is lucky he wasn’t defaulted. His on-court behaviour really leaves a lot to be desired.