Djokovic triumphs over Nadal for third World Tour Finals title

Novak Djokovic repeats as champion in London with a straight-set victory over Rafael Nadal on Monday. Nadal ends his season with a 75-7 record.

Rafael Nadal may have won the war in 2013, but Novak Djokovic won this battle. In fact, Djokovic came out on top in every single one of his post-U.S. Open battles.

The world No. 2 improved to 22-0 during the fall swing and successfully defended his World Tour Finals title by beating Nadal 6-3, 6-4 in one hour and 36 minutes on Monday night. Djokovic, also a recent champion in Beijing, Shanghai, and Paris, fired six aces without double-faulting and he dropped serve only once.

“One thing that made the difference in today’s match was the serve,” Nadal reflected. “I didn’t serve well; he served well. On this kind of court, the first shot is very important and he hit that first shot much better than me.”

The Spaniard recovered from an immediate donation of serve in the second game of the match by breaking his opponent at 1-3 in the first set. Djokovic started to spray backhands all over everywhere, but his gift-giving mode ended in a hurry. The second seed seized another scalp of the Nadal serve by converting break point at the end of a dramatic rally that concluded with a forehand volley winner. Back in front 5-3, Djokovic made no mistake with the set on his racket.

Set two was mostly one-way traffic, starting with a Djokovic break for 2-1. Nadal, who struggled to find the range on his forehand all day long, never could get back on serve. The world No. 1 did well to hold at 3-5, even saving a championship point with a punishing forehand down the line. If the pressure was on in the following game, Djokovic did not show it. After missing one more match point, Djokovic hammered an ace at deuce and clinched victory when Nadal set an inside-out forehand just wide.

“I think I’ve worked on a few things in my game and serve that has helped me win a lot of matches in last two months,” the winner explained. “This is definitely the best possible way that I can finish the season; the official ATP season, not including the Davis Cup final that I have in a few days’ time.”

Nadal still leads the overall head-to-head series 22-17, but Djokovic boasts a 13-7 advantage on hard courts.

“We push each other to the limit; we make each other better,” Djokovic said of the rivalry. “We make each other work harder on our games, especially when we play against each other. It’s always a huge challenge.”

67 Comments on Djokovic triumphs over Nadal for third World Tour Finals title

  1. @RITB
    Delboy? Ferrer? Regardless of ranking would’ve thought odds for them are better than for Andy.
    And Rogie of course….naughty…:)

    • @deucy, PaddyPower has Delpo at 14/1 and Muzza at 16/1, Fed at 25/1.

      Trouble with Delpo is (and I think it has a lot to do with his size) he lacks consistency. By the time FO comes round he will have played a lot and will be fatigued. Also, while he moves pretty well for a big guy, the slow clay does not do his flat shots any favours, I think next to USO, Wimby is his best surface. Provided Muzza’s back holds up, I would pick him ahead of Delpo for this reason.

      Fed? He’ll be mince-meat for the second tier guys……………

      • @RITB
        Am inclined to agree with you re Delpo. In fact at the O2 against Fed he was NOT hitting those massive ground strokes. If you’ve noticed he always grunts when a big un is coming. Grunted on one forehand only, which went straight into the net! Made me wonder if he had wrist problems again.
        Am hoping Andy will be back to 3 by the time RG comes around, all depends of course.

  2. @deucy, There’s only 90 points between him and Ferru. Colour me biased but I do not see Ferru making the Miami finals in 2014. And Muzza’s playing Acapulco 2014, right? The tricky bit for Muzza will be AO 2014, with all those finalists points to defend immediately after a long lay off……………..

    • ……btw, I notice the @RITB imposter on Roger-x blog has disappeared! The things some people will do for attention……………..

  3. A Fedfan who is getting his predictions for 2014 in early. And guess who he has penciled in to win AO 2014: Nadal, beating Djokovic. So, picking Rafa to beat Novak on a HC is not as crazy as some might think.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/the-spin-of-the-ball/index.ssf/2013/11/rafael_nadal_and_novak_djokovi.html

    “My preseason predictions for the 2014 Grand Slam finals:

    Australian Open: Nadal def. Djokovic (Nole’s winning streak ends at 30)

    French Open: Nadal def. Djokovic (Rafa remains untouchable on clay)

    Wimbledon: Djokovic def. Federer (Federer knocks off a weary Nadal in QF)

    U.S. Open: Murray def. del Potro (In SF, Murray downs Djokovic, Delpo blasts Nadal)”

    I agree with Douglas Perry’s predictions, especially AO, except the Wimby one, after heartbreakingly failing to complete the Rafa Slam once, Rafa is not letting a second opportunity pass by. If Rafa gets AO 2014 and FO 2014 he will get Wimby 2014 and complete the Rafa Slam.

    • The most interesting point for me, besides his remarkable ability to predict supposedly random draws, is, him admitting, that Fed won’t win slams anymore…at least not in singles. Maybe, Fed should take out a leaf of Verdasco’s book and team up with Wawa and form a Swiss power double…

      • I really do not get how anyone sane can say Fed has a singles Slam in him in 2014, which one? We know he can no longer get past Rafa, Novak and Muzza, anywhere. Delpo, Tsonga and Berdych can blast him off a fast court on any given day, Ferru, Tsonga and Gasquet can grind him off on clay………..

        So, he really would be best advised to follow the Verdasco example…………………

        #DubsIsYourFriend

      • Yes, but Perry is a staunch Fedfan, of the most fair kind, I have to say. Until recently, he dreamt, along with many other Fedfans, that Roger is capable of one last hurray al a Sampras. The thing is, Fed HAD his last hurray at Wimby 2012. He and his fans just failed to recognize it, because, as everybody knows, goats live forever, lol!

    • rafaisthebest@November 13, 2013 at 1:14 pm
      —If Rafa gets AO 2014 and FO 2014 he will get Wimby 2014 and complete the Rafa Slam.—-

      Rafa has to make a choice between Wimby and the U.S. Open. If he damages his (left) knee in Wimbledon, it would be difficult to play well later at the U.S. Open.

      Excerpt from Rafa’s interview on August 14, 2013:
      RAFA: “My knee is healed, is working well for the moment. I felt more trouble on grass because the movements are less stable and I need to play lower than in the rest of the surfaces.”

      • It is, Ricky, it is! I’m surprized, that a journo of Doug Perry’s clout comes out with this stuff only a day after the WTF final. Must be acute withdrawal anxiety…

      • Well, that would be good timing, since we will have some withdrawal symptoms by then, and the new season is going to start within days. We will be ready for the astonishingly accurate predictions of Humano Dimon!
        At the moment, I’m quite content to let tennis rest for a while The tennis season is long and mentally tiring for fans as well πŸ™‚

  4. LOL…not only has Mr.Douglas predicted the results of matches, he has also predicted how the DRAWS will pan out ! lol… Rafa getting beaten in the QF of wimb then delpo beating rafa at USO… anyway, I will be very happy if these predictions come true ! this would catapult rafa to 15 slams WOW…

  5. @littlefoot 2:17 pm, maybe Doug Perry is not a so mellow Fedfan after all……………could be this is his way of delivering the unkindest cut to us Rafans, filling us with early hope (appearing to salve our collective hurt over the WTF loss) waiting to gloat as we spiral into deep despair should his predictions “go awry”!

    • Nah, Doug Perry is a good guy. More likely he tries to dampen the expectations of Fedfans, in order to cushion the blows. Though he burried a tiny poisoned arrow in in his predictions: Fed beating Rafa in Wimby quarters, lol! Even IF the draw will allow this, it won’t happen. Arrive Wimby, Fed won’t have beaten Rafa at a slam for 7 years running. Unless Rafa hurts himself badly before such a hypothetical match, it won’t happen in 2014.
      But remember, predictions have zero influence on what will happen eventually. So, I don’t get high or low on predictions alone.

      • I don’t put much stock into predictions either. For me, they are fun conversation points, reflecting the confidence each predictor has about respective player’s games at a point in time, and yes, with a healthy dose of bias thrown in…………..

      • Littlefoot at 2:54: Doug Perry is the tennis columnist for my hometown newspaper so I read everything he writes. He is a Fedfan through and through and has, on several occasions, written things about Rafa that have raised the hair on the back of my neck. He writes for the Oregonian and here in Portland where it’s based, there aren’t a huge number of tennis fans, so there aren’t usually too many comments in response to his articles, but he has often been called out on his obvious Federer bias. He’s not a bad guy and has also written complimentary things about Rafa, but his columns almost always reveal his bias. He also frequently delivers those compliments in a way that mirrors Roger: somewhat back handed and too many times within the context of contrast to Roger’s achievements.

      • Ricky: Sadly, I did not. I had to be back East taking care of some things for my brother’s estate. In February, there’s an exhibition match being played here. Johnny Mac, Blake, Agassi and Courier will be playing. I’ll probably go to that. We don’t get much ATP high level tennis here. The closest big time tournament for me is Indian Wells and that’s over 1000 miles.

  6. Thx ritb,
    My comments or questions about Rafa’s serve were more general. Not this season, or end of season alone.
    Other ‘lesser’ players (please nobody get kill me for this) such as Verdasco, Almagro, Gulbis… and so so many others, are able to produce many aces in every match.
    This has always been a nightmare for Rafa, exceptions apart.
    Indeed he has improved a lot, as in all aspects of his game (as Fedsmug would say) but, the question was.. why has it always been so difficult for Rafa? Is his mindset always intent on climbing walls?
    The other day on the Spanish radio they asked him what he was most proud of this season and he anwered: ‘of being able to finish the whole season’.. I wonder if his knees are a factor … I guess not.
    He could have made things so much easier for himself throughout his career with an all out serve πŸ™‚

  7. shireling,
    you’ll remember than until not many years ago, until perhaps as recently as his first USO trophy (3 years ago), Rafa’s serve was rather poor for someone in the, say, top 10, even top 20. Especially in the earlier years. Only in the last few years has it become a strong weapon albeit sometimes, alas, it is not there. I used to think this was in good part due to learning to play tennis with his non-dominant hand. He really does _everything_ else with his right hand, That the serve is the ‘stroke’ that requires the most refined and difficult skills of coordination, and thus was the toughest to refine with his non-dominant hand over many years of slow, patient, deliberate and endless practice. More recently I have been doubting whether this is the main explanation. I am at a loss. I read his biography a couple of years back but don’t recall this talked about.

    Does any one of you have any thoughts on this?

    DO YOU ? πŸ˜‰

    • Since I’m a complete leftsider (write with my left hand, kick the ball with my left foot, put the phone to my left ear and look through a microscope with my left eye), I’ve put a lot of thought into the handedness, or, as I prefer to say, sidedness question. If I will come up with a long version, I probably should switch to the Rafa page. The short version is, that Rafa isn’t a complete rightsider, as he himself and UT have confirmed many times now. He kicks the ball with his left foot, which indicates, that his brain is differently organized than the brain of a complete rightsider. Up to a certain age he played tennis with both hands. Then UT told him to pick one preferred hand and stick with it. Rafa choose the left hand, and it turned out to be a good choice… except for his serve. The tricky thing is of course, that he lerned to serve with his right hand, when he started to play tennis at a very young age. So he had to start from scratch and learn again, when he decided to play lefthanded. And he certainly wasn’t a toddler anymore, but of school age, when that happened. When I was the same age, I hurt my left hand and had to learn to write with my right hand for a while, which was very difficult. So, with Rafa, it could simply be, that he never developd the same serving skills than those, who never switched. And that contributed to some insecurity as far as his serve is concerned. Remember, he never likes to start serving, but has to get into the match first.

      • thank you, littlefoot
        makes a lot of sense. I did not remember Rafa was that ‘old’ when he switched. And rewriting is tougher, true. I had also never thought or heard mention before the now obvious fact that the serving motion is entirely determined by the player. I remember watching Rafa’s progress over the years and his problems with his serve were giving us a hard time, he was more prone to being broken. This is one of the reasons also why he had a harder time breaking through on surfaces where the serve matters more than on traditional clay, where the serve’s advantage is somewhat minimized. It is true: that he managed to get to the heights of skill of his serve when it is really devastating … by the age of about 24 is a testament to his learnability (a word that subsumes all kinds of attitudes and work). At the same time, what he managed to do over the years while serving poorly is also a testament to his learnability of all the other skills.

      • @chloro, never heard the word ‘learnability’. I like it a lot. I think, besides having a teeny weeny bit of talent ;), this learnability made Rafa great.

      • When I wrote my post I couldn’t see yours on my screen. I thought you had written that word ‘learnability’ :-). It is a word out there, I just had a look, but I am not sure it means ‘learning ability’ as you meant it, and that is indeed what Rafa has so much of. It is rare to witness someone do all it takes, with the humility of a devoted practitioner of a high art, to get so close to their possible best. You see it in some of the devoted artists, and other pursuits that require so much diligent, deliberate practice, and among them it is also quite rare. In the martial arts they same sometimes that to become good at it you need talent, a high quality teacher and lots of devoted practice, and that of the three only the first is dispensible.

    • chloro, it doesn’t matter, that Rafa does everything else with his right hand. When playing tennis, his left hand is dominant now. And, if you think about it, how many hours a day does he spend writing and tying his shoe laces vs all the time, he plays tennis? πŸ˜‰
      I think, what really hurts him, is the switch, he had to make for his serve, and the insecurities, that came with it. That would also explain some of his time wasting tics, he developed. And it makes sense, that his serve, which actually became quite good over the years, becomes a liability again, when he feels less secure.

      • Sorry: I had forgotten about kicking the soccer ball with his left foot.
        You’re saying that Rafa switch to his left hand relatively late and thus the coordination of eyes, mind, neurology and muscle firing sequences started late. This would then be true for all the types of strokes he’s practiced and learned / mastered. Why is the serve the more vulnerable, the one that became good much later and the one that breaks down when he is not confident? Also why is it that he almost never hits more than a few aces in a match, at best? If we go by what you said then it might be along the same lines I’ve mentioned – and bear in mind I have not played tennis since I was a kid so I am just imagining – that the serve takes a higher level of coordination and finesse to be excellent. And finally, do you think it is impossible for a kid that started to play tennis for the first time at the age Rafa was when he switched sides to rise to the same level of excellence given the same intense desire, quality coaching, luck, number of hours and high quality of practice?

      • chloro, I think, the serve is a complicated stroke, and it’s the only one in tennis, which is determined by you only from beginning to end, which means, it’s processed differently in your brain than other strokes, where you have to make split second decisions, depending on what your opponent is doing. That’s, why the serve is more vulnerable to self doubts. When Rafa switched at the age of nine or ten, you can’t compare it with someone, who learns for the first time (though it would be awfully late for for trying to become excellent). It had to be rewritten in his brain, which is more difficult than learning something for the first time. It’s probably more difficult than with reactive strokes. That the whole thing was a success at all, is testament to Rafa’s learning abilities.

  8. It would be possible to serve with the right hand and then switch to the left for the ROS, wouldn’t it? πŸ™‚ Maybe U. Tony should look into this, lol.

  9. Well since lot of predictions are going on regarding next year slams, I too would like to put in my 2 cents :

    AO – Nole/Rafa depending in which half Muzza doesnt land.

    FO – Nole. Yes, you heard it here first.

    Wimby – It’s Muzza’s title to lose.

    USO – Nole/Andy/Rafa all would have equal chances much depending on the draws.

    As for Fed, he will make 2 semis at least. Which 2, I’m not sure.

    • i don’t see Murray have any impact on the outcome of the Australian Open.

      Del Potro way more dangerous to Djoker or Rafa, and he could be met as early as the quarterfinals as opposed to the semis.

    • abhirf,
      Nole for RG. Please elaborate. And do you agree that in 2013 Rafa played Novak while more vulnerable than other years other than the damaged knee RG in 2009.

  10. Shireling@November 13, 2013 at 4:22 pm
    —It would be possible to serve with the right hand and then switch to the left—

    Rafa is almost ambidextrous, but his left hand is stronger. When U.Toni told him to choose his one hand (at the age of 9 – 10), Rafa preferred his left one because he felt it was stronger. His left foot his also stronger than his right one – he kicks football with his left foot. Probably he has to use his stronger hand to serve. πŸ™‚
    He plays billiards left-handed:
    https://twitter.com/NeilHarmanTimes/status/382954855687401472/photo/1

  11. Fed has often implied that Rafa being a southpaw is the reason for their uneven H2H. In his presser he referred to having to adjust to a left-handed player as a factor in his loss to Rafa at the O2.

  12. More than Rafa’s serve was off on Monday. He hit short and his DTL FH was MIA.

    Indoor tennis is for weenies anyways. Never liked it even as a Sampras fan.

    #VamosRafa
    #Humb1eHashtags

    • I agree about indoor tennis. I also never thought that the WTF was anything all that special. It’s like some tournament that is added on for the fans or revenue. Maybe bragging rights? But Rafa is the year end #1 and nothing can change that.

      I think that Rafa fans want him to win something that he has not won just to shut up the haters and rabid Fed fans. But the simple truth is that even if he won this, then they would just say that Fed won it more, they would bring up the number of slams, the weeks at #1, the consecutive semifinal appearances. They always move the bar.

      Yet now Rafa has won the Summer Slam, something that neither Fed or Djoker has done. At this stage of his career, Fed won’t ever do it. But Djoker is still in his prime. It remains to be seen if he gets it done. It has only happened three times. So what I am saying is that Rafa has records that Fed does not and that is what balances it all out. Even if Rafa should equal Fed’s slam total, the haters will just point to other achievements of Fed.

      That’s why I don’t like his GOAT business. Each great champion has unique records and contributions. Pete Sampras had the most slams until Fed broke his record. But he never won the career slam. So there is always something missing if one wants to get picky.

      • NNY: Naturally all Rafans want the pleasure of seeing him add the WTF to his laundry list of achievements and part of the satisfaction will be when he proves the doubters wrong. Meanwhile there really is no point in fretting over what bitter and twisted Fedaddicts think or are saying on other sites. Thank goodness for the civilised level of debate that reigns at Tennisgrand.

        • i think its possible to have civilized debate while also having different opinions of different fanbases

          thats what i hope to have happen in 2014

      • ed,

        That’s why I have made a concerted effort to avoid those other tennis sites. I try not to participate in the endless GOAT debates that rage all over the place. It’s pointless.

        Rafa seems to have taken his loss in stride. If he does manage to win the WTF, all well and good. But if he never wins this tournament, I don’t think it will matter given all of his records and achievements in this sport. He has already done more than enough to cement his legacy as one of the greatest to ever play the game. Anything else that he wins is just more icing on the cake.

        I try not to get ahead of myself with predictions for 2014. The most important thing as far as I am concerned, is for Rafa to stay healthy. If his knees are okay, then everything else will follow.

  13. chloro,
    Well its just my perception that has developed after watching the RG Semi b/w the 2. The way Rafa played in the 5th set of the match, I gotta admit, it was as if his life depended on it. Never seen Rafa play like that. To repeat that thing will take a lot of mental strength, and though I know that Rafa has it in plenty, he may just not be ready for it the next time. This season he was fresh physically and mentally. Same will not be the case next.

    Moreover, Nole’s been getting close, just like he suffered those defeats by Fed at USO, before turning it on him. I think he has had his share at FO and will go all the way.
    Nole would be cursing Fed as, if not for him, he would have had the RG title and Calendar slam to his name.

    • abhirf,

      I don’t agree with this idea that Rafa was fresh. As I recall, many on TT were saying that Rafa had NO chance to defend his RG title because of the fact that he was just coming back from a seven month injury layoff. This would be the first slam Rafa played in a year. So the thinking was that Djoker had the advantage against a Rafa who was not going to be in peak form for RG this year.

      As far as Rafa playing like his life depended on it in the RG semifinal this year, well all I can say is that he has done that in so many slam matches. That’s where his greatness truly shines. He is never better than when his back is against the wall. It brings out the best in him. He just was not going to lose that match. This is the quality that was missing in Rafa throughout 2011. I thought it was the key reason why he lost all those matches to Djoker. It is true that maybe Rafa had become too predictable and the new, improved version of Djoker that year was able to beat him.

      We all know that Rafa found the answers in the 2012 AO final. Even in defeat, he had found a way to win. He was within two games of winning that match. He staged a magnificent comeback in the fourth round to even it up and force a fifth set.

      Rafa found a way to beat Djoker and also found his formidable mental strength. That is the quality that separated them this year. There is no reason to think that Rafa will lose it in 2014.

      You are free to make whatever prediction you wish and think what you like, but I know that Rafa will fight just as hard in 2014 to win RG as he did in 2013. As long as he is healthy, I am not going to bet against him. πŸ™‚

      • abhirf@November 14, 2013 at 12:16 am
        —he [Rafa] may just not be ready for it the next time. This season he was fresh physically and mentally. Same will not be the case next.—

        That’s Fedfans hope to have happen in 2014! Their dream is: somehow to prevent Rafa winning GS titles. πŸ˜€

      • To say Rafa was fresh at FO 2013 is a bit disingenous. Rafa lost at Monte Carlo precisely because he was not fresh. Rafa even gave Novak a hard time in the final even if he lost. In fact he never played well all through the clay tournaments. It is testament to how good he is on the surface that he won a lot!

        2013 is the year Novak should have run the table on clay, taking advantage of an un-fresh Rafa, he did not. You only have to look at Vegas to see what the market thinks of Novak’s chances at FO in 2014, zero to none.

      • Novak’s best opportunity to snag his 1st RG was 2013. Unlike Fed in 2009, he fluffed his lines. Just like 2009, 2013 had “special circumstances” written all over it.

  14. abhirf,
    you may be right. But do you remember that Rafa was not fresh. I mean he was weeks away from when his knee gave him too much trouble. And he was still coming back from a long period of trying many ways to recover that knee…. there was not a lot of practicing and getting into shape preceding Vina del mar a few short weeks before RG. This was seen also in MC. Good enough to make the final, but not in good enough shape to win against Novak. So all things being equal you have to expect Rafa to be in better shape at RG in 14 than in 13. If so he is very, very hard to beat, especially there. What is it that Novak has in his game that makes him more likely to beat Rafa at RG this time when Rafa can be expected to be in ok shape? I’m not saying he couldn’t, but it is tall task. There has never been someone as consistent on clay and at RG, not quite even Borg. That experience takes Rafa a long way each time he plays on the surface and at that tournament. I don’t doubt that Novak wants to win it badly, and especially should he be able to do it by beating Rafa there. Last year was his big chance. In 2014 we’ll see what shape they’ll be in. Novak has often lost points, games, sets and match this last year he had no business losing. I’d like to see him find ways to improve his game in new ways and find ways to regain the consistency of 2011.

  15. If Del Potro is in Nole’s half , Nole may even lose in the semis.at RG. Nole is not invincible at RG even against the others . Witness his loss to Federer in 2011. abhirf assumes if Fed hadn’t beaten Nole, then Nole would have beaten Rafa in 2011. Considering Nole has never beaten Rafa at RG either before 2011 or after 2011, there is no basis for this assumption.
    This is not to say that Nole will never beat Rafa at RG. If Soderling could do it, so can Nole. But abhirf cannot state with certainty as he does that Nole would have beaten Rafa in 2011 at RG.
    But abhirf is a rafa hater so we can only expect such statements and predictions from him. I suppose with the abysmal standards set by Fed fans for themselves, abhirf despite his poison must be classified as one of the better Fed fans.
    When Rafa won over Nole at Canada or at USO , did abhirf say he hoped to see more of this Rafa in 2014? No.
    But when Nole won over Rafa at WTF he promptly expressed the pious wish that we would see more of this Nole in 2014.
    Of course I cannot also forget how abhirf blatantly lied about having seen cases of mono in India during his clinical postings. As a matter of fact, as there are no public hospitals with diagnostic facilities for mono in India, no one has seen a diagnosed case of mono in India EVER let alone see a “few cases” during clinical postings.
    abhirf lied about this In order to give credibility to the mono myth of Fed cooked up by Fedfans to discount Rafa’s amazing wins at RG and most of all at Wimbly in 2008.He only proved he is not a doctor or a medical student or if he is one, he must have studied in chr18’s school.
    But compared to Sienna/seventeen or even scoretracker, I suppose we can say abhirf is ‘good’.
    But the type of Fed fan I like is chr18. How I miss that guy!
    I also miss Twinge (Muzz fan). And zare (Nole fan). Where are they? .

    • Holdserve,
      Did I miss something? Didn’t Nole beat Rafa at Madrid and Rome that year and that too in straight sets and was the favorite to win RG too. If you didnt saw or hear it, it’s your fault or probably you are too delusional to accept this fact.
      As for Mono case, I dont know whether you really have some relatives whom you claim to be health workers or whatever. It’s not my fault that they didnt get to see a Mono case in India.
      And plz, you really dont know anything about India, so better be quiet there.
      And didn’t I appreciate Rafa in IW for his new found hardcourt game and asked to see more of it. And haven’t above I have picked Rafa as a fav to win AO or USO. But no, you guys wont see it. All you want is baseless stuff to tag someone as a ‘Rafa hater’ esp Fed fans.

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